British man executed in China

[ChineseIrish]

RTÉ Aertel

A UK citizen was executed in China for drug smuggling,causing an international incident.

Appeals for clemancy were ignored,and the man was allegedly bi-polar, so Brown and the UK govt are not happy.

Although there are many things I dislike about the Chinese government(and i have the knowledge to qualify that statement), I feel that people must follow the laws of the land. Heroin is probably the worst drug there is, and he must have known the risks


thoughts?

[daddyspoon]

break the law you pay the price.

[frankinstein]

i must admit i dont know the case {kind of ashamed to say} but execusion
for any reason seems a bit harsh.couldnt we change any law breaker of his habbits with time.....although some prisons in this world mite be worse!!

[T_B_H]

from what i've heard (which isn't that much i admit) seems the guy had mental health problems, and was promised to be made a pop star in china, and his luggage could have been tampered with, so drugs planted.

ok thats his side of the story, but if true then i think execusion was unjustified, but i do agree if you commit an offence in another country then you should be punished by there laws

[frankinstein]

yes...u take your chances in another country, but wow ,if what u say is correct,that he was mentally challenge. any country executeing the helpless is'nt fireing on all cylanders. and the rest of the world should say so. remember tianamin square {sorry for my spelling} the people of china probubly wouldnt like it either!!!

[crinkle62]

sorry, and please dont jump down my throat, but if he had mental probs and was easily taken in by people, why was he travelling alone?
I have friends with kids that suffer this condition and they only travel with others for the 'safety' aspect to foreign countries because of this!

I believe that when in a foreign place, you abide by their laws and accept any punishment if you break them..... wish UK would 'big' itself up and implement the same!!!!!!!

Please dont reply to any of my statements on this thread, these are my comments on this post only...thnx

[stjimmy]

there was a big debate about this on talksport radio yesterday, and seems he was easily lead and a fantasist suffering depression/bipolar. and was said he should have had his passport removed by british authorities before he even had the chance to leave the country..
but im totally against capital punishment for many reasons, firstly, its punishing the friends and familly of the executed.

it was also mentioned that china execute more people than all other countries put together, 4k-5k a year!

[daddyspoon]

i was gonna say the same crinkle but wanted to read up on it first. feel free to jump down my throat tho

[sa11y69]

Originally Posted by crinkle62

sorry, and please dont jump down my throat, but if he had mental probs and was easily taken in by people, why was he travelling alone?
Please dont reply to any of my statements on this thread, these are my comments on this post only...thnx

sorry...i'm gunna comment
i completely agree with crinkle...if this man had a mental disability there is NO WAY he shud've been allowed out of the country alone. therefore the fault lies with the british healthcare system (no surprises there)

but in all truthfulness, wudnt we all claim our loved one suffered from depression if they were in the same boat? his health records were examined by Chinese officials...they arent stupid, or barbaric, they claimed there was no evidence of mental health, so maybe there was no evidence...

No country shud have to change their laws to accomodate tourists who are too ignorant to learn the culture, or just point blank dont care and think that they can do what they want because their country will protect them...common sense is called common sense because most of us have it...when in Rome, do as the Romans do..
On the otherhand, if this man was compos mentis and china has execution laws, then these laws shud be adhered to...

and no...i DO NOT agree with execution laws...

[T_B_H]

yes i agree with those who say he should not have been there in the 1st place if he had mental problems.

but if he was just a "pawn" for the drug trafficers and did not know he was carrying drugs then i dont see that being in the wrong place at the wrong time deserves the death penalty

[sa11y69]

his daughter claims that two 'polish men' had duped him into thinking he cud be a pop star...wud u let your mentally ill father go to the other side of the planet alone on these grounds??

[T_B_H]

Originally Posted by sa11y69

his daughter claims that two 'polish men' had duped him into thinking he cud be a pop star...wud u let your mentally ill father go to the other side of the planet alone on these grounds??

defernatly would not let him go, but just cause he was allowed to does not mean the punishment was deserved if duped

[sa11y69]

Originally Posted by T_B_H

defernatly would not let him go, but just cause he was allowed to does not mean the punishment was deserved if duped

which is why my first statement was that the healthcare system was at fault...
but trust me, if it were one of my lads in the same situation, i'd do everything i cud to get him out of it...even if it meant saying he was mental....where are the medical files? there was no evidence of ill health shown to China...if there was, then that wud involve the human rights groups...and they werent involved by the looks of things...

[ChineseIrish]

I would love to give his family the benefit of the doubt, but to be honest, If I had mental difficulties I would like to believe that nobody around me would allow me to go off alone with two strangers to a far off land. If the man really was ill, there was no way the situation should have progressed to the stage of him actually handling the drugs.

In regards to capital punishment in general, I think it is justified in some cases. I was at the execution of someone who interefered with a chld sexually, and would honestly pay money to see it again.


EDIT: Smuggling Heroin is an extremely serious thing, and there should be extremely serious punishment imho

[CaptainSandy]

He got caught smuggling a huge amount of heroin and must pay the penalty; in China that penalty is death.
It could easily be said that anyone smuggling such a huge amount has a mental problem because no normal person would do such a thing.
The mentaly retarded should not be above the law as it would open certain floodgates.
If he were caught in Britain I'm sure hewould have got a slap on the wrists.

[white_wizard]

he got caught with drugs ,weather he was a fruit cake or not ,death penalty it should be the death penalty over here as well and not just for drugs, to meny do gooders in this country

[rad6]

Can't blame the health care system on this one. He is accountable here and i agree, one can't travel to a foreign country break the laws and expect not to pay the price. About 80 percent of the country suffer from mental health issues and bipolar is controlable if one is on medication. If they don't take the meds nothing much one can do. If we pulled passports of everyone with mental issues there would not be a lot of travelling going on. Don't say I agree with China laws but if one is travelling there u better be aware of them.

[gbiphase2]

All drugs should be legal all throughout the world......period

[crinkle62]

Originally Posted by gbiphase2

All drugs should be legal all throughout the world......period

you are kidding right???????????

all drugs can be legal on another planet if the idiots who want to use them move there permanantly with them is all i can say!!!!!

[ChineseIrish]

Originally Posted by gbiphase2

All drugs should be legal all throughout the world......period

yep,heroin is great isnt it?