Not what people like to hear …but …

[Xtreem1]

I have had several people say that players are seeking other places to play due to the horrible play at this site. After playing in the last few tournaments, flopping the nuts and losing to runner runner, to a guy that had no reason to be in the hand and no reason to call the all in, I understand why they are seeking other places to play. I was just on the ring tables and kept getting called by horrible hands all in to beat my a/a k/k and k/k. they have NO reason to call other than to suck out with a terrible hand. Then to add insult to injury, in both the ring games and tournaments many others say nh or wd etc. just to rub it in to the losing player. They should be saying wtf did you ever call there for,? Or just remain silent about it. But no,they just want to encourage the poor play. I have plenty of chips and will not leave no matter how many times people try to run me off or side with the horrible players against me. I have noticed (as I’m sure many of you have) MANY of the recent regulars are gone and play at another site. If you are honest with yourselves you will look at the decline in players at this site and realize that it is just a matter of time, unless the masses change their attitudes and start treating the other players with respect. I know everyone like to say the play is great here, haha, really, you have got to be kidding me. You know better, don’t kid yourself. I have witnessed several poker sites fall. I would strongly suggest that people look at the truth and start making some changes. I, like some of you do not what to see this site fall, but without some changes I fear it may.

[curbcowboy]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the NEW and EXCITING script.glad to see people are finally beginning to realise.

[crinkle62]

This dilemma has been talked about on other occasions hun, and we all hear you about the bad play. I, and many others, feel it has been happening a lot more since OP merged with the site we are with now, but it's something we have to 'accept' if we are to continue to have our OP and the friends we have all come to make here at the tables over the years....for as long as it stays, however long that may be...or not!
Some players go to other sites to PLAY poker, but come here to play with friends....every one has the choice, cos as its been said before, this is not the only poker site around.
Just don't let it get to you to the extent it has some, 'family' have fun at the poker tables here and you wont get the same anywhere else!!

[daddyspoon]

play on any given site for free chips and low buy in's and you will get your fair share of suck outs if you play long enough. purely because not everyone wants to play with meaning.

i agree about the whole NH thing, say it too often and it loses all meaning. its almost like people type it out of habit. how can anyone learn if every hand is a NH.

[ASBO]

xtreem..
Are you talking about free play for free chips with 1k unlimited rebuys?
Hardly realistic poker anyway...sometimes when playing home poker we play free hands where everyone just goes all in
and the worst hand has to make the toast and get the drinks in..no one ever moans..it's just fun..
In a real money game,if someone wants to gamble with a poor starting hand then that's in the rules and happens all the time too..
you surely can't expect everyone to be as good or careful as you..win or lose with grace, it's just a game and everyone who buys in can play
the way they want to.
In the showdown it's the best hand that wins, not the best starting hand.If someone pays to see the showdown then they have every right to be in it.
Also..I haven't noticed "everyone saying how great the play is here"..usually the opposite in fact, but maybe that's me not reading the right threads..
As for NH and WP..I personally think that's a much friendlier thing to say than "wtf did you call there for?" as you suggest, and given the limitations of the chat box it's probably all some people get time to type anyway..

[Xtreem1]

I also suggested and would prefer - they just remain silent on the hand - that is - if it is a huge suck out. then again, I guess we only see and comment on what we want too.

I have played at about 20 diff sites and agree 100% on the play chip theory. I have had 1000s of bad beats or suck outs. my point is mostly this --- like it or not - it really does happen here more than any other place I have played, I think there is merit to that. it says something about the players if you ask me. but then, what do I know. again, if it is a terrible suck out why are so many people sp quick to type - nh or wd?

[BIGSMUDGE]

The best thing about this site USED to be the "SIT N GO" tables they were where you met your friends & played some good poker ,Because it`s tournament format it didnt pay to "go all in every hand & see what turned up " these days the ring tables are full of this kind of player , 7 there are no Sit n Go tables worth bothering with , if we all boycotted the ring tables & supported the sit n go Tables then MAYBE , just MAYBE the site could become close to what it was

[ASBO]

Originally Posted by Xtreem1

I also suggested and would prefer - they just remain silent on the hand - that is - if it is a huge suck out. then again, I guess we only see and comment on what we want too.

I have played at about 20 diff sites and agree 100% on the play chip theory. I have had 1000s of bad beats or suck outs. my point is mostly this --- like it or not - it really does happen here more than any other place I have played, I think there is merit to that. it says something about the players if you ask me. but then, what do I know. again, if it is a terrible suck out why are so many people sp quick to type - nh or wd?

I can't speak with the same experience as you of so many other sites,concerning 'suck-outs' ( as good luck often gets called ) but I have had a real lot of people getting lucky against my good hands.I put it down to the chance element..after all, if all seven cards get dealt, as in an all in situation,then the element of skill, in reading the progress of the hand, goes out the window.
As for why so many players seem to go all in hand after hand..my theory is they are people who don't have any interest in staying at the site long-term..probably bored people with not much else to do, that have found a diversion from their otherwise boring existence. It's probably the height of fun for them to see if they can make a winning hand and some of them maybe don't even look at their cards first before going all in. After all..as I said, ( or at least meant ), with free chips and unlimited rebuys it's no pain to them if they lose.We can't see their chat if they are from another site, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were joking and laughing with each other about winning ( and then losing ) 500k a day...
You impress me as a serious player, and as such I can understand your frustration at the bad beats, but surely a bunch of bad players is just what a good player will look for as opponents. I think I'm what you might call a patient player and I tend to fold maybe 8 out of 10 hands anyway,and still get beaten often when I call or raise, but no one profits from it in the end.
I really don't think there's any one answer to the question " why are people so quick to type NH or WD" but I'm fairly sure it's not "just to rub it in to the losing player"..
that suggests an element of malice and I don't believe there are many here who would do that. It certainly never occurred to me as a reason..

[LfcNO9Corb]

yes as people have commented, its all been said before i did one about exactly what you are saying, the poker side of the game has gone now. peoples poker skill levels are not noticed anymore because of like you said the people who just chase and hit anything and it seems to work on the set up. its such a shame.AND I THINK THATS HOW ITS GOING TO BE FROM NOW ON.'BINGO'

[akire]

It is amazing that some ppl complain about bad play, but when I play with them I see so many times that they go all in with 7 8 or anything less, and I have to fold my AK or even AA, because I am not sure what comes up and I dont want to gamble away my hand.
Then they have the nerve to show their hand.
I wish every one would just do what they preach.

Talking about Sit-and-Go, thats how I learned to play poker, not that I am a good player, but I remember when all the tables where listed on one page and I had to wait for a place to be free and then quickly register, otherwise the place was gone.

Now, not too many ppl care, because the tourneys don't start because not enough ppl register before the 5 minutes to, because they want to wait until 20 after and register late, why. Today the New York Tourney was cancelled again. Mostly it is hard to get 15 ppl, but then after a few minutes play there are 30+. I have no idea what the reason behind it is. I can see that some ppl have to register late, because they just got home, and I have done it although, but not everyday.
Well, have a nice evening, because I cannot play NY and probably have to go to the tables for a few minutes to see all the bingo players.
Good night - see ya all

[SweeneyTodd6]

Amen X thats why I have cut back playing here cause of that BS, I feel your frustration somethimes I want to say WTF also but you have to deal with it I guess. GREAT THREAD

[jayccin]

when you can beat the all inners at their own game then you can call yourselves poker players.

im doing just fine at the ring tables with these jerkoffs, it easy to beat them just fold and fold and take your time and control the game with using your time and calling big hands.

[SapphireStar]

ohh .. I might be guilty of too much nh and wd, as I like a cordial game .. but I hope I don't say it to a "suck out". If I do I apologize. I "think" when I lost my trip A's to a recent 8 4 suited win on river, I heard gg and nh, and I was ok. Not that I liked losin on trip A's, but if one has the guts to call 1200 chippies on an 8 4, then hey ... they had the guts and the glory.

[phattP]

originally posted by xtreem1
on 01- 14- 2010

Playing BINGO
"Players claim that I play bingo. All I can say to this is yup, I do. I believe that any player worth their salt at poker should have several playing styles in their arsenal, if you play just one style you are easy pickings. At time I play tight aggressive at time lose aggressive at times like a rock and at times bingo. I also attempt to put the table on tilt sometimes, and sometimes I am playing on tilt other times I am just having fun and playing like a total donkey. With all these combinations and switching between them I believe that I am a better opponent. I try to assess the table and players and styles and play in a way that wins. I sometimes do great at this….sometimes terrible. I think that’s what poker is (at least in part) about changing it up keeping the others guessing."

interesting.. and even amazing..how a few months can change a persons attitude..

[jazzsinger1]

I think if you analyse the fact that most of the donk players are not the op66 players playing in the ring games.Off late i have barely been playing them.Most of the players are from the other site and they really destroy the game.It came to a point by simply seeing the name i could tell this is not an op66 player.At times 5 out of 6 players are from the other site and two donks are going all in every hand.Even that apart just dont feel like playing with the other site people,no offence to them just doesnt feel like the op66 home. Honestly i dont know how this system works in terms of the two websites running parallel to each other.they cant chat with us nor we can with them so there itself its an unfriendly atmosphere.Tend to agree with Bigsmudge with regard to the sit n go..get your own team of players and have a good game of poker,but somehow it seems unrealistic as cant seem to get all m8s at one time zone as it was apparently much easier earlier as Bigsmudge mentioned.
bottom line yes lost interest in playing the ring games and have started seeing some crazy plays in the tourneys off late...you bang on Xtreem and the rest of the guys...

[SCPeach]

wow I always thought the best hand won too thats why they call it gambling its all for fun and enjoyment thats why they call them play chips jezzz so I say have fun and most importantly enjoy the great people on this site and stop complaining. Grow up. This is how ppl bluff. Even with real money ppl bluff, some win and some lose. Its a gamble. Please stop crying X; it's really getting old. I'll play u anytime.....I play for the fun and the friends Ive made on this site. I love it.

[CaptainSandy]

Originally Posted by phattP

originally posted by xtreem1
on 01- 14- 2010

Playing BINGO
"Players claim that I play bingo. All I can say to this is yup, I do. I believe that any player worth their salt at poker should have several playing styles in their arsenal, if you play just one style you are easy pickings. At time I play tight aggressive at time lose aggressive at times like a rock and at times bingo. I also attempt to put the table on tilt sometimes, and sometimes I am playing on tilt other times I am just having fun and playing like a total donkey. With all these combinations and switching between them I believe that I am a better opponent. I try to assess the table and players and styles and play in a way that wins. I sometimes do great at this….sometimes terrible. I think that’s what poker is (at least in part) about changing it up keeping the others guessing."

interesting.. and even amazing..how a few months can change a persons attitude..

Hee Hee nice find.

You will find the same complaints on EVERY comparable (ie free chips) poker site. Usually posted after a bad beat. Move on...

[Xtreem1]

I agree and stand by what I said here 100%. you can try to take what I said in one section of the forum and use against me in another. but read them, they both apply. I am not talking about bingo play. I actually agree with playing bingo at times. what I dont agree with is a person having no stratogy . I have a/a and they have 2/3 os - the flop is a/6/7 I go all in with my set of aces - they call and get runner runner 4 and 5. this is not even bingo, it is just plain idiotic. and I want then to do it EVERY time. but it seems they do, and win way to offten for this type of play. I also love how the people that tell me to "grow up" haha. are the ones that were crying about lossing to me. hummm. maybe people should learn to treat other better instead of making nastly statements for no reason. ;-) if these people did not raise and go all in EVERY hand, it would be diff. again, I agree with having several types of play (why wouldnt anyone agree with this is beyond me) but having no stratogy or plan. there is a diffrence, I would think you'd know that.

Originally Posted by phattP

originally posted by xtreem1
on 01- 14- 2010

Playing BINGO
"Players claim that I play bingo. All I can say to this is yup, I do. I believe that any player worth their salt at poker should have several playing styles in their arsenal, if you play just one style you are easy pickings. At time I play tight aggressive at time lose aggressive at times like a rock and at times bingo. I also attempt to put the table on tilt sometimes, and sometimes I am playing on tilt other times I am just having fun and playing like a total donkey. With all these combinations and switching between them I believe that I am a better opponent. I try to assess the table and players and styles and play in a way that wins. I sometimes do great at this….sometimes terrible. I think that’s what poker is (at least in part) about changing it up keeping the others guessing."

interesting.. and even amazing..how a few months can change a persons attitude..

[Xtreem1]

no comment

Originally Posted by SCPeach

wow I always thought the best hand won too thats why they call it gambling its all for fun and enjoyment thats why they call them play chips jezzz so I say have fun and most importantly enjoy the great people on this site and stop complaining. Grow up. This is how ppl bluff. Even with real money ppl bluff, some win and some lose. Its a gamble. Please stop crying X; it's really getting old. I'll play u anytime.....I play for the fun and the friends Ive made on this site. I love it.

[Xtreem1]

Very well stated. great comments, not rude or attacking, just the way responses should be ;-)

Originally Posted by jazzsinger1

I think if you analyse the fact that most of the donk players are not the op66 players playing in the ring games.Off late i have barely been playing them.Most of the players are from the other site and they really destroy the game.It came to a point by simply seeing the name i could tell this is not an op66 player.At times 5 out of 6 players are from the other site and two donks are going all in every hand.Even that apart just dont feel like playing with the other site people,no offence to them just doesnt feel like the op66 home. Honestly i dont know how this system works in terms of the two websites running parallel to each other.they cant chat with us nor we can with them so there itself its an unfriendly atmosphere.Tend to agree with Bigsmudge with regard to the sit n go..get your own team of players and have a good game of poker,but somehow it seems unrealistic as cant seem to get all m8s at one time zone as it was apparently much easier earlier as Bigsmudge mentioned.
bottom line yes lost interest in playing the ring games and have started seeing some crazy plays in the tourneys off late...you bang on Xtreem and the rest of the guys...