Bad beats !!!!!!!!

[KingDonKK]

Originally Posted by BBOB

This doesnt seem like such a badbeat except that no one ever folds a flush draw and he did have a monster draw flush and strait draw. Id felt better if I just called his 2nd reraise after the flop and then when no diamond came on turn I would go all in then. Wouldve made no differance as he wouldve called.
But id felt alot better about it with the odds being in my favor a bit more with only one card to come. But with so many outs to dodge cant fault nez one bit.

Everleaf Gaming Game #175538056
***** Hand history for game #175538056 *****
Blinds 15/30 NL Hold'em - 2010/06/09 - 05:12:18
Table 1
Seat 1
Total number of players: 3
Seat 1: BBOB ( 1130 Chips )
Seat 2: Carpenter ( 1435 Chips )
Seat 3: nezinator ( 2235 Chips )
Carpenter: posts 15 Chips]
nezinator: posts 30 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BBOB ]
BBOB 30 Chips]
Carpenter 15 Chips]
nezinator checks
** Dealing Flop ** ]
Carpenter checks
nezinator: 90 Chips]
BBOB 240 Chips]
Carpenter folds
nezinator 300 Chips]
BBOB 860 Chips]
nezinator 710 Chips]
** Dealing Turn ** ]
** Dealing River ** ]
BBOB shows ] three of a kind, sixes
nezinator shows ] a flush, jack high
nezinator wins 2290 chips from main pot with a flush, jack high ]

Bumped into this old post by Bbob,

Bbob, when he reraised your reraise why the idea of maybe he has 4,5 didn't come to your mind? As there was no raise preflop.

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by KingDonKK

Bumped into this old post by Bbob,

Bbob, when he reraised your reraise why the idea of maybe he has 4,5 didn't come to your mind? As there was no raise preflop.

I think a lot of these bad beats are lightning on the river. I don't think this was BBOB's point with this one though. I think it's more in the "cooler" department. Yes he got it in as a favorite but only like a 3:2 favorite. The guy had 16 clean outs (and 1 dirty if he read trips). The unfairness is from the dealer. Not all bad beats are bad play. Sometimes the dealer gives you pocket KK and the guy in the BB pocket AA and it just sucks. Like here it sucks to flop that set and still have someone else flopping well too.

[BBOB]

Originally Posted by KingDonKK

Bumped into this old post by Bbob,

Bbob, when he reraised your reraise why the idea of maybe he has 4,5 didn't come to your mind? As there was no raise preflop.

Well to answer ur question, I didnt think nez would lead out and bet a strait. So I thought flush draw or 2 pair protecting against the draw. Went w my gut. Little did I know nez had the nuclear wrap for a hand

[DukeOfDeath]

Been donked on all night. Got fed up with this guy as you can obviously see this type of play:
Everleaf Gaming Game #354647856
***** Hand history for game #354647856 *****
Blinds 200/400 NL Hold'em - 2012/02/08 - 08:36:37
Table FUN Montreal IV
Seat 3
Total number of players: 6
Seat 1: DukeOfDeath ( 394218 practice chips )
Seat 2: broky42 ( 21197 practice chips )
Seat 3: tinti3 ( 147485 practice chips )
Seat 4: rustik6 ( 9238 practice chips )
Seat 5: marr1966 ( 10408 practice chips )
Seat 6: yrga ( 35685 practice chips )
marr1966: posts 200]
yrga: posts 400]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DukeOfDeath ]
DukeOfDeath 1,200]
broky42 folds
tinti3 16,000]
marr1966 folds
yrga folds
DukeOfDeath 393,018]
tinti3 131,485]
** Dealing Flop ** ]
** Dealing Turn ** ]
** Dealing River ** ]
DukeOfDeath shows ] two pairs, tens and fours
tinti3 shows ] a flush, king high
tinti3 wins 295565 practice chips from main pot with a flush, king high ]

[Bonik]

Originally Posted by DukeOfDeath

Been donked on all night. Got fed up with this guy as you can obviously see this type of play:

tinti3 wins 295565 practice chips from main pot with a flush, king high ]

Sorry to inform you. But the quality play in free side can be found only in 2.5k/5k and 15k/30k tables.

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by Bonik

Sorry to inform you. But the quality play in free side can be found only in 2.5k/5k and 15k/30k tables.

I agree, but I'm not quite at the point where I can afford it. I trapped him a couple hand in a row after that to end up way ahead. So I got my revenge. Good play vs. Bad play doesn't always win, but it wins out in the long run

[teebs]

Originally Posted by Bonik

Sorry to inform you. But the quality play in free side can be found only in 2.5k/5k and 15k/30k tables.

I disagree with you there Bon... I find the most chilled games at 1k/2k tables.

As for the hand, thats a horrible beat Duke and an even more horrible play by the opponent

[phattP]

All in 131,485 chips with 92??
Oh...it was suited. (missed that little detail)...

[teebs]

I bet he thought "HA! I completely outplayed him"

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by teebs

I bet he thought "HA! I completely outplayed him"

I would agree except that you used the word "thought" to refer to this guy.

[OP66fozzy]

Duke, bad beat for sure, but what would you have thought if he had turned over a larger PP or AK, AQ, AJ ?

OK, you knew his range was practically anything, but that doesn't mean he has to have a bad hand, even donkeys get the odd good hand.

Were you maybe a little tilted at that point to have been all in pre flop with 1010 ?

If his play was that bad, surely it is better to outplay him on the streets rather than getting it all in before the flop unless you have AA of course.

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by OP66fozzy

Duke, bad beat for sure, but what would you have thought if he had turned over a larger PP or AK, AQ, AJ ?

OK, you knew his range was practically anything, but that doesn't mean he has to have a bad hand, even donkeys get the odd good hand.

Were you maybe a little tilted at that point to have been all in pre flop with 1010 ?

If his play was that bad, surely it is better to outplay him on the streets rather than getting it all in before the flop unless you have AA of course.

Oh yeah for sure. I was definitely tilting some, but usually when I'm playing free chips I'm not worried as much about playing air tight best game ever. My thing was that there were significantly more hands he was doing this with that were worse than hands that were better. And he'd been doing this 1 in 4 hands, so it was more of a message to back off than anything else. I know not just super amazing play on my part, but again justifiable with how he'd been.

I totally agree (and am glad someone else beside me on here said it) that there's a lot to be said about not worrying about best hand preflop and actually outplay on future streets. However, in this case, against someone with no logic to their play (or any fear), it's really quite impossible to outplay them post flop. They never give away any strength or weakness with their hand. How many flops are coming where there's not a single overcard flush/straight draw or board pair. If you can get it in preflop as a favorite, why not? Yes this changes when opponents are playing with at least a semblance of strategy, but this was not the case.

Plus I knew if he did call and show QQ, he would do the same move again later and there is always some idiot like this to give me chips. The biggest fear was not losing but losing him. Never want a fish off your hook. Ended up taking his whole stack later in just a few key hands.

[jazzsinger1]

The quality of play in the rings never fails to impress me.I can name a few players who are complete luck boxes but also play well in the rings.
I can probably name 30 players who will call anything,frankly i am one of them of now,i simply play for the fun of it.Never beleived that its going to improve my game in terms of strategic playing but simply just see if i can improve my reads but even that with these players i cant seem to do so.from 23 offsuit to Ak..a raise of 10k chips in the rings its a call and have seen AK reraise 36 offsuit with 100k chips and 36 offsuit calling the reraise.anything goes in these rings..its a free mindless no brainer poker session.
Do get a table on omaha at times where in we get a bunch of 6 good players somehow and can have a good game otherwise im donking there as well..and very often do play like an idiot.
We are not far anyways as now the mini manmoth has become idiot play.you got to see one session and see the donk calls..
Seeing it also in the daily 4 tourneys...yesterday one guy comes in late and starts going all in...he lasted 3 hands and then said i have to go.
just post and fold why come to kill a tourney.No respect of the game here.
Duke,Fozzy,Tebo you make whatever analysis you want on the ring side it difies every logic of poker.

[OP66fozzy]

Not sure we should be allowed to put Ultra Outlaws hands in here, but going to anyway.....

Everleaf Gaming Game #356118647
***** Hand history for game #356118647 *****
Blinds 75/150 NL Hold'em - 2012/02/13 - 16:12:58
Table 1
Seat 7
Total number of players: 9
Seat 1: peachie0328 ( 945 Chips )
Seat 3: baz1980 ( 915 Chips )
Seat 4: flipsr ( 4590 Chips )
Seat 5: hondajazz ( 2288 Chips )
Seat 6: hollowtree ( 2270 Chips )
Seat 7: papa123 ( 214 Chips )
Seat 8: yeoman42 ( 1478 Chips )
Seat 9: OP66fozzy ( 1500 Chips )
Seat 10: Carino ( 800 Chips )
yeoman42: posts 75 Chips]
OP66fozzy: posts 150 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to OP66fozzy ]
Carino folds
peachie0328 folds
baz1980 folds
flipsr folds
hondajazz folds
hollowtree folds
papa123 folds
yeoman42 75 Chips]
OP66fozzy 1,350 Chips]
yeoman42 1,328 Chips]
** Dealing Flop ** ]
** Dealing Turn ** ]
** Dealing River ** ]
yeoman42 shows ] a flush, king high
OP66fozzy shows ] a straight, king high
yeoman42 wins 2956 chips from main pot with a flush, king high ]

I was hoping to steal the blinds, imagine my joy to see Yeoman call with that hand and have him dominated, but the joy was short lived.

[Bonik]

Originally Posted by OP66fozzy

I was hoping to steal the blinds, imagine my joy to see Yeoman call with that hand and have him dominated, but the joy was short lived.

lmao

its not a bad beat

its bad all in

[Ausangel]

Everleaf Gaming Game #356311877
***** Hand history for game #356311877 *****
Blinds 10/20 NL Hold'em - 2012/02/14 - 13:10:30
Table 2
Seat 10
Total number of players: 7
Seat 1: jazzsinger1 ( 2430 Chips )
Seat 3: Ausangel ( 1500 Chips )
Seat 4: gonecruizin ( 1380 Chips )
Seat 7: herr_perry ( 515 Chips )
Seat 8: keithpe ( 1830 Chips )
Seat 9: toptab1 ( 1465 Chips )
Seat 10: 151069 ( 1435 Chips )
jazzsinger1: posts 10 Chips]
Ausangel: posts 20 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ausangel ]
gonecruizin folds
herr_perry 20 Chips]
keithpe 20 Chips]
toptab1 20 Chips]
151069 20 Chips]
jazzsinger1 10 Chips]
Ausangel 60 Chips]
herr_perry 60 Chips]
keithpe 60 Chips]
toptab1 folds
151069 60 Chips]
jazzsinger1 60 Chips]
** Dealing Flop ** ]
jazzsinger1 checks
herr_perry: now i am forced to bluff
jazzsinger1: lol
Ausangel: bets 420 Chips
herr_perry folds
keithpe calls 420 Chips
151069 calls 420 Chips
jazzsinger1 folds
** Dealing Turn ** ]
toptab1: you dont bluff mmmmm
jazzsinger1: master next to you
Ausangel: 1,000 Chips]
keithpe 1,000 Chips]
151069 935 Chips]
** Dealing River ** ]
Ausangel shows ] two pairs, aces and kings
keithpe shows ] a straight, ace high
151069 shows ] two pairs, aces and kings
keithpe wins 4485 chips from main pot with a straight, ace high ]
keithpe wins 130 chips from side pot with a straight, ace high ]

did I play this wrong?

[DukeOfDeath]

If they're gonna keep calling like that, no. But I'd either be satisfied getting away or committing earlier. There were 120 chips already in the pot though when it got to you. So raising it to 60 won't really do much. Raising it more though is a big chunk of your stack. I would have either check or made a big raise. The big raise forces things like JT out most of the time, and if not you can shove the flop and be ahead on a board like this.

[teebs]

Nope. Keith would have always chased.
Only thing is the fact that you were out of position, with so many limpers...Would have made a much larger raise pre, or not raised at all.
Either way you were gonna lose that hand no matter what.

[phattP]

This has happened to me many times. People calling a pot size bet after the flop with an inside straight draw and hitting. Oddly enough, when I try it I never hit.

I think you played the hand right Aus, but it seems the only way to protect top pair after the flop is all in.

(even then, you will often get people calling to the poker gods for that
slim chance of the inside straight coming.)

Not bad play by you I think, but luck for Keith for sure...