If you had a choice....

[Ausangel]

Would you like a site with no rules, no mods, no TOS just open slather for all to do as they wanted...swear, abuse, cheat, harrass etc, no one to complain to, no issues resolved and no forums, one that if you didn't like it you would say 'well thats ok, I'll just move on and find another one'?

How many of you would prefer this option to what we have now?

EDIT

Before this thread gets out of hand and off topic... I would like to add this Poll is not aimed at any member for any single event or circumstance, It is more of a question that might help shape where the site may or may not be heading in the future, I urge you all to take the time to think it over and if possible vote on the poll.

[pokerpus]

this is a very angry thread ,
for fear of a ban , many may not reply

[Ausangel]

Originally Posted by pokerpus

this is a very angry thread ,
for fear of a ban , many may not reply

There is no anger here that I see PP

Its just a poll, you can choose to answer if you wish, the votes are anonymous..why would they be banned

[CaptainSandy]

Originally Posted by Sharron123

Aus......I doubt that anyone here is questioning the integrity of the work that you and Tex do for this site. We all appreciate and know that the moderators job is a thankless one and you are both held in the utmost esteem by all members here. Please don't take the last days comments in this forum as a critcism of the work you do.....as it is not. Quite simply it is a critcism of a system that needs change. We all understand that the moderators have a set of guidelines and these guidelines have to be adhered to strictly.....you and Tex do that and we really do appreciate and respect you for it........ Is it not possible to change a few of the rules or systems and still keep you moderators to enforce these or are you trying to say we can't have it all......sorry I really don't understand but as the question stands .....I agree with Jimmy its a no brainer....

Sharron, you seem to think that because you don't like some rules then they should be changed, many people, I would say the vast majority, are very happy with the rules as they are.
Your relentless, selfish persuit of changing the rules is obviously upsetting the mods (hence this thread).
If I was so unhappy with a site's rules I would leave a find a site that suited my views - it would be a long search though because such a site would not exist.
Everything's fine let's enjoy what we've got.

[pokerpus]

Originally Posted by Ausangel

There is no anger here that I see PP

Its just a poll, you can choose to answer if you wish, the votes are anonymous..why would they be banned

then was this thread directed at one person ?
sure seems like it.

[Ausangel]

Originally Posted by pokerpus

then was this thread directed at one person ?
sure seems like it.

No, its a legitimate Poll and question PP

[pokerpus]

i'll look and see how many people chose the "legitiment" option of have : swear, abuse, cheat and harass be O.K.
so the thinking is that people may want that option and vote for that ??????
still sound like a mod is mad and threading about it.
will i be banned again for saying so ?
i'm screenshotting my reply

[Ausangel]

i'm screenshotting my reply

LOL...go right ahead you can vote too if you like

[reaper1569]

i hav up most respect 4 all players... but we all need freedom ov speach...were not all perfect and i will appogise if player has took it personal sorry.. but i will not begg 4 giveness.... iam same as u all human...i just think sum isuies need 2 b looked at...as if this is friendy site.. why not 4 giveness..i donot class ma self as a great player . were all eqal but if this is friendly site why so harsh..becuse it feels lik its personaly at me.. witch upsets me.. i did no wrong last time but could not prove it mrs will stand by me...if iam banned 4 this replay...ty all was great meetin u all .. iam so sorry it has upset so many ov yas ...i try 2 b gd but were all silly at times..but last 1 was not ma fault...yes i hav bin warned 4 ma stupidty...rightly so

[CaptainSandy]

Originally Posted by reaper1569

i hav up most respect 4 all players... but we all need freedom ov speach...were not all perfect and i will appogise if player has took it personal sorry.. but i will not begg 4 giveness.... iam same as u all human...i just think sum isuies need 2 b looked at...as if this is friendy site.. why not 4 giveness..i donot class ma self as a great player . were all eqal but if this is friendly site why so harsh..becuse it feels lik its personaly at me.. witch upsets me.. i did no wrong last time but could not prove it mrs will stand by me...if iam banned 4 this replay...ty all was great meetin u all .. iam so sorry it has upset so many ov yas ...i try 2 b gd but were all silly at times..but last 1 was not ma fault...yes i hav bin warned 4 ma stupidty...rightly so

I believe this site, our site, allows a tremendous amount of free speech. Many sites would not allow any posts that criticsized the site or mods; however there are lines, cross those lines and expect some form of punishment.
We all praise Aus and Tex yet when someone we know is punished for a misdemeanor it's the rules that are wrong not their actions.

[jazzsinger1]

we are all entitled to our opinions,and we all have one not that we know as whole how if implemented it would work.I think the site is good as it is right now but yes i do beleive there is room for improvisation and certain areas where things could be done differently.but hey,you know we all still here and we play everyday,at the end of the day its a respected site hence we still here and frankly think the mods are excellent in what they are doing and more than that they are excellent humanbeings..
I think the only thing is to give a longer rope to those offenders who have been around for a while and have supported this site for a long time and sometimes tempers to flare up,happens to me for sure but i try to put in an apology right away and in the best possible way.Rules get broken but i think we need to take the players history in consideration.Again this is just an opinion...

[reaper1569]

i agree with mods we need rules...but i do feel as i am getin bulled..witch as ma play on tables i will fight bk.2 defend maself..but this is friendly site. i do not wish it 2 becum a ghost town like other sites were no 1 speaks 4 fear ov a bann...i am gd guy but silly at times lol when drunk .. i hate losin like we all do lol.but would not b as mutch funn if i wonn all the time.. but best part ov site is the BANTTER..sum find me funny as i do them

[jazzsinger1]

hey we need reaper back!!!!!!!need signatures????

[Ausangel]

Before this thread gets out of hand and off topic... I would like to add this Poll is not aimed at any member for any single event or circumstance, It is more of a question that might help shape where the site may or may not be heading in the future, I urge you all to take the time to think it over and if possible vote on the poll.

[CaptainSandy]

Originally Posted by Sharron123

Sandy To the best of my knowledge TOS does not prohibit criticism of the site or mods.....so those that do are quite within their rights. It does prohibit personal attacks and I don't consider that any posts today regarding bannings etc have been personal.

Think that your wording ' punished for a misdemeanor' maybe sums up why so many are upset at the severity of reaps punishment. A 'misdemeanor' in the legal system refers to a lesser criminal act and are generally punished less severely.....perhaps not right choice of wording..........otherwise why did he receive a punishment that befits a felony crime!!

I suggest you re-read my post as you seem to have misunderstood it. I agree with you that it is not in the TOS of the site, which is EXACTLY my point as it is in the TOS of other sites. We should congratulate OP66 for this 'freedom of speech'.
Regarding my use of the word "misdemeanor" and "reaps' punishment" - NOWHERE in my post do I mention Reaps; I suspect you deliberatly misquoted me which I do not appreciate.
Next (I'm enjoying this) you criticsize my choice of wording then state Reaps punishment befits a felony crime...I'm sure you know what I'm going to say...but here goes....

....Definition of a Felony Crime:- One of several grave crimes, such as murder, rape, or burglary, punishable by a more stringent sentence than that given for a misdemeanor.

I'm sure most murderers, rapists and burglars would like to be punished with a chat ban.

[stevo_58]

I like a good discussion but staying ON topic.

Seems to me it's a simple question, choose one or the other of the two options suggested.

Read both options, think about it, vote. Job done.

Really isn't that hard is it?

[DarthYoda]

0k time for yodas 10 cents worth
society has rules and regulations in which we all have to abide by
the judicary and police are the arbitrators of society and the government is there to create the rules and modify if neccisary
on op 66 we have the mods to this job
just remember in many countries freedom of speech does not exist let alone on poker sites
when we all joined we agreed to the tos
although healthy debate should be encouraged the rules and regulations are there to protect everyone not just the few
the moderaters are here to help interpret and enforce the rules and judge each individual case on its merits
there are three states of society
anarchy
revolution
and government
Aus angels poll is asking us if we want government or anarchy
its a simple question
choose wisely

[chuckster66]

I have voted,and I would like to say openly, that at this particular time I have Zero problems with this site or its rules,I see nothing unfair about the treatment of players who have endured a situation of being banned.Everyday of your life you must follow some rule or another,when confronted by an offense you are then obliged too pay the price of such violations if they were broken.Pay the price and move on.Quite possibly you may have learned something in the process,if not! well enjoy your next ban.

[daddyspoon]

[TheTexan]

Now my .02 cents worth:

I have voted and there should be no surprise how.

I hope that we as a site are open to change that makes sense, works with the business model and fits the maximum number of our customers. That would be good business.

I shop at the same stores for my groceries, and while I will ask for specific items that I may not see on their shelves I do not run around the store pointing out that they do not have something I want. I ask, make a recommendation and as a consumer I make a choice if I want to change where I shop if my request is not accepted and acted upon. That is my right as a consumer. If I choose to shop elsewhere I do not go back to the store and picket in the parking lot because they do not carry the item I want. Why would I? I have more important things to do.

I am not entitled to getting my way because I want it. I live in the real world where things are negotiated, discussed and the end result is what it is and I can accept it or work to change it. I also have to live within the laws that are in place, if I do not agree with the rules I can break them and accept the consequences or work to change them within the framework that is made available to me to do so.

If you make suggestions for changes we take those to Lava and the tech team. We seem to have a couple of members who are very enthusiastic about some suggestions that have not been adopted. That is excellent. Keep bringing it back up for new discussion. There may come a time when the plan changes and we are able to accommodate. But do not be upset that we are not able, or willing, to acquiesce to every request all the time.

There are a list of items yet to be accomplished and these have to be done within the confines of time available and resources.

No, we do not have control over the table script, we can not change a large portion of how it runs, but we have changed the tournament schedule, the payouts, added tables and games that were requested.

No we do not have a working chat box, we have it on the list, and we did get resources to fix the broken LP converter (again).

No we have not allowed previously lifetime banned players to return. If they were lifetime banned there was a reason, a series of events that lead up to it and these are the consequences. There is a process and an appeals method and and final say on the matter. There are only a handful of players in the last three years who would even fall into this category.

As for this poll, I agree it is a fair question. If you want something different say so, it is anonymous, no one will ban you for speaking your mind on this, do your part to make it better but do not sit around complaining about something and then when given the opportunity to engage do nothing.

I do not believe we have ever banned a player for making a case on a point in a civil manner. I have banned players who were banned for coming back under a new account and spreading hate and discontent because they were not treated special, like they felt entitled to.

OK maybe that was like .25 cents worth...