Invite tourneys : CONSIDERING IMPOSING 24 HR BANS

[Breezy064]

Originally Posted by Tb1rd

I'm in agreement to it. Not gunna get into the rest of this business though.

Although I think unless it's booked no one should enter it, saves confusion.

That's exactly the point that we are trying to get people to understand. Thank you!

[ilovekerry]

i think a ban shouldn't be warranted till the probs with flash are sorted where we cant log out.as dads has stated he could log into poker and see invite in an hour and join then go to forum find out its booked where he cant unreg...yeah ya will all say go check forum blah blah but not all people sit in here day in day out.also the pass could be changed as it has for stl

[M_80]

Originally Posted by jimmysymtex

M80,The whole idea with the International series was to try and get as many people involved as possible...No one is excluded from this tourny new players or old players alike...I personally have sent many PMs to players inviting them to join this series...Its well documented on the original thread that everyone is welcome to play...The only thing players have to do is get a team together and post it on the forum...If anyone is interested in playing in next months Series and dont have a team,you can PM me and Ill get a team for you....Fred913 is looking to put a team together so you could also PM him.....The main problem with uninvited players is in my view the table getting split...........

You are absolutely right Jimmy, I kind of overreacted based on some of the other invitational tournaments. I do understand the problems with putting one of these tourneys together, however I still disagree with a ban because the use of the invitationals is currently confusing. Fix that then the ban makes sense.

[HopeImLucky]

I am aware that the Invitational Tables are currently being used as an extra tourney by a lot of people, I'm guilty of it myself. If that table hasn't been booked then no-one is doing any harm, it's when it has been booked that problems start. I am a participant in JimmySymtex's International Tourney and have seen at first hand the devastation that uninvited players can cause, however unintentionally. It would also be true that if I booked the table for my birthday and invited players A, B, C, and D to join I wouldn't want players E and F turning up too.

I am all for a ban. It is easy to find out if a table is booked or not. If a player registers an hour before the tourney is due to start, then they had plenty of time to check the calendar before registering. No excuse. If they register with 2 minutes to spare, then they should have waited the 2 minutes, joined the table as an observer, and asked the players if it was a reserved table or not. Once the players are seated there is still a 5 minute delay before the tourney starts, allowing plenty of time to register legitamately. Again no excuse.

It may be a little harsh, but in my opinion it is needed, as nothing else has worked. Despite pleas to not gatecrash, and outcries when it happens, some players just keep doing it. There was one game in the International last week when there were almost as many gatecrashers as there were players.

I have also noticed that some players have consistently gatecrashed nearly every single tournament. It is these players that refuse to have any respect that a ban should be aimed at. While I strongly agree that a ban should be applicable, perhaps a strong warning on a first offence, followed by an automatic ban on a second offence might be more acceptable. I personally don't see any excuse for gatecrashing in the first place, but at least any offenders couldn't say that they hadn't been warned.

[Earp10]

sorry if anyone disagrees with me here but ive done it in the past......first time was in ladies tourny before they changed their start time for it and i posted and folded........second time i cant remember but same thing... i wouldnt be upset if i was banned for 24 hours for that. i know the flash and unregister thing is an issue now but when i was a violater that wasnt an issue and i wouldnt have been upset that much bout it but happy it was a little slap on the wrist to remind me since it can really screw up a tourny with post and folders. ive seen people with those good intentions ending up doin well when they aint there.

[scgirl]

Ok...Ummm, I better ask about something before I get myself in trouble.
First off I always check the calender, but some nights a group of us will use the invite table to just have a nice friendly game. Is that gonna result in a ban for doing that? Like I said I always check the calendar, but want to know is it ok to do that?
I do agree that something has to be done about gate-crasher that neglect to check the calendar. Actually too, if there is nothing booked on the calendar and I see ppl. in the invite I will try to pm them (that have registered)to ask if it's something special. I will even go to chat-room for answers.
Anyway if I could get an answer to my question I will deeply appreciate it.
-Thanks

[HopeImLucky]

Originally Posted by scgirl

Ok...Ummm, I better ask about something before I get myself in trouble.
First off I always check the calender, but some nights a group of us will use the invite table to just have a nice friendly game. Is that gonna result in a ban for doing that? Like I said I always check the calendar, but want to know is it ok to do that?
I do agree that something has to be done about gate-crasher that neglect to check the calendar. Actually too, if there is nothing booked on the calendar and I see ppl. in the invite I will try to pm them (that have registered)to ask if it's something special. I will even go to chat-room for answers.
Anyway if I could get an answer to my question I will deeply appreciate it.
-Thanks

It has been stated publicly before now that you are allowed to play on an Invite Table so long as it has not been previously booked. If its not on the calendar you can play. Doesn't do any harm to check chat etc as well, but it would be the calendar that I'd be worrying about.

I have just posted an idea on the "suggestions" thread about having a non-invitational running at the same time as the invitational. If it was possible it would save a lot of unnecessary problems.

[Breezy064]

Originally Posted by scgirl

Ok...Ummm, I better ask about something before I get myself in trouble.
First off I always check the calender, but some nights a group of us will use the invite table to just have a nice friendly game. Is that gonna result in a ban for doing that? Like I said I always check the calendar, but want to know is it ok to do that?
I do agree that something has to be done about gate-crasher that neglect to check the calendar. Actually too, if there is nothing booked on the calendar and I see ppl. in the invite I will try to pm them (that have registered)to ask if it's something special. I will even go to chat-room for answers.
Anyway if I could get an answer to my question I will deeply appreciate it.
-Thanks

Nope, no problems if the table isn't booked. In fact, you use it as it's meant to, you invite your friends to play.
You do everything you should do before registering...check calendar, ask questions, etc....
Now if everyone did that, there wouldn't be the problems we've had, and no need for this thread to begin with.

[Breezy064]

Originally Posted by HopeImLucky

It has been stated publicly before now that you are allowed to play on an Invite Table so long as it has not been previously booked. If its not on the calendar you can play. Doesn't do any harm to check chat etc as well, but it would be the calendar that I'd be worrying about.

I have just posted an idea on the "suggestions" thread about having a non-invitational running at the same time as the invitational. If it was possible it would save a lot of unnecessary problems.

What kind of non-invitational do you mean?

[Breezy064]

Originally Posted by M_80

You are absolutely right Jimmy, I kind of overreacted based on some of the other invitational tournaments. I do understand the problems with putting one of these tourneys together, however I still disagree with a ban because the use of the invitationals is currently confusing. Fix that then the ban makes sense.

I'm still confused why you think the Invitationals are so confusing....

Definition from Dictionary...

Invitational - in·vi·ta·tion·al (ĭn'vĭ-tā'shə-nəl)

adj.
Restricted to invited participants: an invitational golf tournament.

n.
An event, especially a sports tournament, restricted to invited participants.




If there was an easy fix other than people just paying attention and following the rules, this thread would have never been started.

Obviously, the ban is the only way we can get people to understand why they are there to begin with.

It's only a slap on the wrist, not a lifetime in prison. If you aren't guilty and have read enough of this thread, (which you have I'm sure), then you should have already gotten the idea and therefore won't have to worry about a ban, so why go on with it?

[scgirl]

Thanks...I just wanted to make sure, cause I am guilty for trying to get up some late night game. The reasoning why is because a lot of ppl. that I ask to play are generally on a high stake table that I can't afford. But enjoy their company and the experience of learning the game from them.

[M_80]

OK - I guess i will have to concede on this issue. Good points all.

[rad6]

Originally Posted by cuddycat

Great news thanks for listening to us.

wow still think this is a bit far fetched, getting to the point where u are almost nervous to enter one of these even with an invite. So many being booked these days! If I ever, ever get banned because of this, even for 24 hours, i'm out of here for good!

Some things are just carried too far.

[theguvnor]

Originally Posted by rad6

wow still think this is a bit far fetched, getting to the point where u are almost nervous to enter one of these even with an invite. So many being booked these days! If I ever, ever get banned because of this, even for 24 hours, i'm out of here for good!

Some things are just carried too far.

Couldn't agree more rad, same for me.What i struggle with is,Saturday night is STL night that everyone is used to.Monday is always Monday night Blues buster, which most people are used to, whats wrong with having SPECIAL invite tourneys on the other 5 nights,isn't that enough for people, why do they have to confuse things by cancelling a weekly tourney to put on a special one.I ( as you all know) registered for what i thought was monday blues buster that turned out to be suspended and international tourney in its place,only to be called all sorts.I'm sure this will go down well with the new players we are trying to attract, join this tourney join that tourney they are great, oh sorry you registered on the wrong day your banned !!!!!!

[BBOB]

i dont get it all you have to do is check the callendar. I have been guilty of gatecrashing and I appolagized for not checking the calendar first but I wouldve gladly accecpted my 24 hour ban because I was in the wrong for not first checking calendar and seeing if it was booked. It plainly says always check callendar first. Its a simple rule and I dont think a one day ban is too harsh I mean if theirs no punishment no one will ever learn the rules and countless international or privately booked tourneys will be compromised. Black and white issue if u ask me ofcourse no one did so ill be quiet just my thoughts have a great day all )

[jimmysymtex]

As with any argument you will always have different opinions.I personally think a 24 hour ban is wrong and it wont make any difference at all.Its hard to imagine this day and age that a simple passsword could be so hard to set up,even if it has to be done manually...I dont really know much about computers and maybe Iam talking out my big One,but there are loads of people here very competent with computers and maybe OP66 could appoint One of them as a moderator and let them deal with the issues of private tournys alone and nothing else...

[T_B_H]

Originally Posted by jimmysymtex

As with any argument you will always have different opinions.I personally think a 24 hour ban is wrong and it wont make any difference at all.Its hard to imagine this day and age that a simple passsword could be so hard to set up,even if it has to be done manually...I dont really know much about computers and maybe Iam talking out my big One,but there are loads of people here very competent with computers and maybe OP66 could appoint One of them as a moderator and let them deal with the issues of private tournys alone and nothing else...

we have no input/access or anything to tournament set up. setting of passwords etc:

its all done through the network touraments manager, thats why different names/passwords is a problem, unless it every day or week, at same time

[T_B_H]

just to elaborate a bit more on my last post.

we have 2 seperate systems, FORUM which is op66 only, and network have no access to it,and thats where the calendar is

and TABLES ran by the network, lava and mods have access to certain aspects regarding play chips/bans/avatars to name a few.

in an ideal world, someone could book invite table on the calender, enter OWN UNIQUE password, and it would set up in the table lobby, but unfortunatly thats not the case and probably never will be.

so lets all get are heads together and find the best alternative

[jimmysymtex]

Didnt know that Kev,sorry m8....Looks like we will just have to carry on regardless...I dont play on the invite table,so dont know who the regular players are,but if I could get a list of the players that use the invite table regularly I would PM them before each match to remind them when the international matches are on..

[LfcFan]

I think one of the reasons why some of these issues have occured is because the game server times and the forum server times can be changed by the user.
If we were all looking at the same clock times then the calendar would be less confusing.
For me at least.
A good example of this happened last week and I assume this is what theguvnor is refering to.

Originally Posted by theguvnor

Couldn't agree more rad, same for me.What i struggle with is,Saturday night is STL night that everyone is used to.Monday is always Monday night Blues buster, which most people are used to, whats wrong with having SPECIAL invite tourneys on the other 5 nights,isn't that enough for people, why do they have to confuse things by cancelling a weekly tourney to put on a special one.I ( as you all know) registered for what i thought was monday blues buster that turned out to be suspended and international tourney in its place,only to be called all sorts.I'm sure this will go down well with the new players we are trying to attract, join this tourney join that tourney they are great, oh sorry you registered on the wrong day your banned !!!!!!

I have no problem with skipping the first monday of the month to allow the "international" tournament to run but I can see how confusing it may become.
I would also be happy to postpone the "Monday Blues Buster" to allow any member to host a tournament of their own. For example, I wouldnt want to block somebody from having their birthday tournament.
The thing is, we are all allowed to book a game.

Im really sorry you got into all sorts of trouble for entering what you thought was the "MBB" and that was probably through a fault on my part.
I posted on the calendar to book that invitational time slot for the "MBB" but I realised after the event that I hadnt posted the correct times and had therefore incorrectly advertised it on the "MBB" thread.

Look how confusing this is when the times never match.