Lets fix the cancelled tourneys

[stevo_58]

As far as attracting players I think phatt's booster points is a good idea.

I also think opening registration earlier is a good idea, although I'm not sure if that would 'attract' more players if you get my drift.

I do think the prize fund is very relevant though. If you think about it when deciding which games to play a lot of players consider what potential return they might get on their investment. Maybe not ones who already have hundreds of thousands or more chips, but certainly ones new to the site who are looking to build their bankroll. Especially those who are new to the site but not necessarily new to poker, after all newbie doesn't always mean novice.

Maybe the prize funds could be '30K added' or '30k guaranteed' ? The amount would need to be determined but I'm sure you get my point.

I really can't see any way around the timezone issue.

It may just be wishful thinking or co-incidence but has anyone noticed that since this discussion began none of the daily's have cancelled? Could it be that it has had a very small effect? I don't know but it hasn't resulted in any new players joining in. And I wouldn't have expected it to, at least not at this stage, if at all.

Jim your last point is a crucial one. Could or would any mod be willing to do so? If not, then like you I would fully understand. But if they would then as I said before we need to have some consensus on what suggestions we would like them to propose.

I'll pm the mods tomorrow and ask their opinions. Have to go and sleep now lol

[Ausangel]

Lots of great ideas here and yes we are reading them and discussing, some maybe possible and some not.

Just going to throw some of my thoughts out there, it looks like the consensus is to raise the stakes of the 4 main tourneys, looking at the last four mini mammoth games they have attracted 13, 11, 22 and 13 players so if 15 players were needed to start like the 4 main games only one game would have gone ahead even with a million prize pool and less time needed to play it.

The booster points is a good idea Phatt, but I doubt it would be implemented as the Ultra outlaws game already gives 12 vouchers a day to the outlaws game which is a 1.10 buy in to a cash game. Now on the other hand, what if ultra outlaws was dropped and the vouchers were diverted to the 4 main tourneys, would the time factor to play those games still impact on the numbers? Looking at the last 4 outlaws games 22, 9, 13 and 29, still not big numbers for the chance of winning a 1.10 voucher into a cash game. Ok Its late for me but just some thoughts from my perspective..feel free to comment

[stevo_58]

I really like that suggestion Aus because you would hope it would possibly attract more existing players back to the daily's, and if it could be prominently advertised at login/lobby it just might catch the eye of new members.

Having said that I would expect there might be quite a few players who wouldn't want that to change, because they would rather play the short ultra game rather than a 2 hours tourney.

I don't know if many still play the outlaws city game, but I get the impression that most who play the outlaws tourney do it for the good poker and money payouts, rather than the cards you also win.

But it does sound like it might have some potential to have a positive effect on the problem in hand. I would add it to my shortlist for sure.

[T_B_H]

firstly we need to try getting back some older members and atract new 1's as already said before

i think the site should email all members reminding them of there username,login name,and password (or a link to retrieve lost passwords)

it should also contain a description of our OP tournaments
(4 dailys,mammouth,ladies etc listinging there start times and where on the lobby to locate them

also outlaws ultra outlaws tournaments

also give reference to some of our private tournaments STL,TITANS and others and how and who 2 contact to get involved

include also the games "outlaws" and "city slaves" with a brief description about them

jumping back to the dailys explain the medals points systems we have and the competiotion there is to win those, also mention that there will be a RESET of points in the new year so everone starts from scratch again 4 points

also include a few testimonials from regular players (just a short brief sentence on why they like the site and what it offers them)

this email short also be sent to any new member that joins

i'm pretty sure there could be loads added aswell, but dont want to overpower someone or be treated as spam

and also include details of real money tournaments too for those who are interested

even if this email brings back 1 old member then its worthwhile in my opinion

[saladdodger]

Don't even know if this would be possible,but here goes.

Not sure if everyone has tons of chips,but everybody is loaded with forum credits.

so would it be possible to say have 3 or so SNG tables,where the buy in is in forum credits,instead of chips.

but the payout is in chips,therefore getting rid of the useless credits,with a chance of increasing your chip count.

Just a thought of trying to get the SNG,S going,an like steve mentioned earlier we could sponser the newbies with credits to play them.

[T_B_H]

Originally Posted by saladdodger

Don't even know if this would be possible,but here goes.

Not sure if everyone has tons of chips,but everybody is loaded with forum credits.

so would it be possible to say have 3 or so SNG tables,where the buy in is in forum credits,instead of chips.

but the payout is in chips,therefore getting rid of the useless credits,with a chance of increasing your chip count.

Just a thought of trying to get the SNG,S going,an like steve mentioned earlier we could sponser the newbies with credits to play them.

i like that idea

maybe buy in with chips or credits

[crinkle62]

ooooooooh i have credits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pmsl

[T_B_H]

Originally Posted by crinkle62

ooooooooh i have credits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pmsl

how about ............... 31,556,103 credits equal 1 chip ???

[jimggoldwing]

Originally Posted by T_B_H

how about ............... 31,556,103 credits equal 1 chip ???

Don't be greedy, Kev..... 30-mil for 1 chip is probably sufficient.


On a serious note ------ NO FRIGGIN WAY ------- this would be the equivalent of the old converter... to introduce such a system at this stage would be a disaster... especially since we have Forum Credit BILLIONAIRES on this site...

[crinkle62]

Originally Posted by T_B_H

how about ............... 31,556,103 credits equal 1 chip ???

oh har de bloomin har shorty!!!!

[stevo_58]

How about for the first 20 daily OP tourneys someone plays they get double points and double chips?

Sure this is biased towards new players but I can't see why anyone could have a problem with that. I'd rather play a game that starts, knowing any newbies were getting double the payout, than register and see one cancel.

And after 20 games there's a reasonable chance the newbie would continue to return if they had enjoyed the experience and our company.

[stevo_58]

A couple of people mentioned that when searching for 'free online poker' or similar, OP66 used to return at or near the top of the list the search engine returned, which it no longer does.

I no virtually nothing about what drives the search results, key words?, but whatever it is maybe that needs to be looked at and revised?

[TheTexan]

These are all great ideas and Aus and I have pointed Lava at this thread. If he has the time and resources I am sure he will address in the coming year. We are having conversation on what can be done immediately to boost the positives and minimize the negatives.

[T_B_H]

i'd like to see a tournament with "bountys", ie: u win a bounty prize when u knock players out, not sure if its possible to programme in tho

[stevo_58]

Yea that would be good Kev, they are great. But is that just a general suggestion, or do you mean you would like the daily's to include that feature? Personally I wouldn't like it to be a part of the daily's.

Thanks for the update Tex, appreciate yours and Aus's input.

[DreamALot]

My three cents worth for what its worth but I am sure in the previous 120 post on this thread, its been mentioned.

Up the prize in the SNG's and the four major tourneys. Regular OP players will go there if there is a substantial chip count to win. These are free chips so why not make the games more attractive than the ring tables where it is a free for all.

[phattP]

I've thought about why there's not many new members staying, and why the sit and gos are dead.
My conclusion is :- because hardly anyone here plays the ring tables. ( or the sngs )

OK...before you start laughing too hard, think about this...

There's a growing dependency on the 4 daily tourneys, for peoples poker fix.
Virtually all there is of freeside OP66 are those 4 torneys and the forum.
There's no chat room...no one playing the rings or the sit and gos.

Where's the atttraction? That mysterious thing that draws people to want to be here?

The first impression ( the most important ) of the site that most newbies get, is formed on the ring tables. That's where they have to play first, because when they first log on, that's where the action is.
They want to play poker first and foremost, then friendships are made ( or not ) through that medium.
They might check the tournaments list, but if they do, what is there? Empty sit and go tables ? There's a tourney starting in 2 hours, but it's 2k to enter...
They do what most of us did when we first started...they sit in on a ring table.

There's the make or break point for this site. It's what they see of op66, and if they don't like that bit, then they're not going to be inclined to believe that the 4 daily tourneys are any better.
There are very few members out there...at the sharp end...making people feel welcome and offering a good game of poker.

The other players are from a different site and can't chat. When was the last time that one of the low level ring tables had 2 or more members of op66 on at the same time?
If more members played them, there would be more tables that didn't have so many 'other site' players.

Get a decent game going with 2 or 3 others...mid level stakes...and people will join. A lot are looking for a good game of poker too..keep it going..if a bingo player arrives, play a tighter game. He will soon get fed up if he's going all in every hand and only picking up blinds. He's scaring people off of his monsters too, so he will gradually realise that he needs to tone it down.

Take control of some of the rings...get out there and play poker...have a laugh...meet up...get some value from the free chips we're lucky enough to be allowed to play with.
Say hi when a new player joins the table. Make friends!

When op66 was a thriving site, people automatically wanted to come back again and again. No one had to force them... they saw a great site with lots of laughter and WANTED to be part of it.

One other thing...I think there are a lot of good players out there. They cant chat with us, but they come to play and many will give you a good hard challenging game.
You'll find that even though you can't chat, you can still form a common bond in the love of playing poker. They come back to tables that you're playing on because you give them a good game. That's almost a certainty.

These are my thoughts on it :-
Be more adventurous and diverse in your outlook on poker.
Be of kind heart and good spirit.
Have fun.
Make it a place where people want to come...they will come.
Rebuild the community spirit by cultivating and watering the roots.
Only then, it may rise again to be the best site around.
P.