Limit Game = Fish Game

[AtDawg]

I just can't get rid of 'em.

Preflop raise KK in hand AK3 on flop. I'm betting my tail off all the way. Can't get rid of anyone. Out of chips. River comes Q and guy wins with 10J off suit. First of all why do you call pre raise and then....hell i dont know. I hate that game lol

46th place BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[Jmahoney]

46th place in what?

Freeroll will always be a fish game in the start until the all iners are gone. In limit games you've just got to pace yourself.

Play more for the straights and flushes then anything else. Winning 10% at a time is better than thinking you're great looking yet totally vulnerable hand will get you chips every single time.

[AtDawg]

you're missing the point, Mr Ijustposttoboostmyforumcredits.
the point is that on limit freerolls you can't just take a pot by betting no matter how good your hand is. if it was no limit i would have went all in with KK preflop and never would have had to see the 10J off suit.
the only way to play, I guess, is to check and call until the river comes because I've found that people just don't fold in limit poker.

[ilovekerry]

Originally Posted by AtDawg

you're missing the point, Mr Ijustposttoboostmyforumcredits.
the point is that on limit freerolls you can't just take a pot by betting no matter how good your hand is. if it was no limit i would have went all in with KK preflop and never would have had to see the 10J off suit.
the only way to play, I guess, is to check and call until the river comes because I've found that people just don't fold in limit poker.

how can he miss the points if u never stated it was limit????????

[MRCOOL1]

Originally Posted by shaunloveskerry

how can he miss the points if u never stated it was limit????????

*points at title of thread quietly* lol

[ilovekerry]

Originally Posted by MRCOOL

*points at title of thread quietly* lol

ah woops lol but then at that only calling the blind raise with 10J aint so bad

[AtDawg]

ok shaun............................................. .......................................thanks for your input

[Jmahoney]

lol, read my post. In the second line I point out that he was playing freeroll, and that it was a limit game.

You won't see proper playing with people actually thinking of the other players cards until you get more chips. Even at the higher levels you will meet players who are on tilt, or are just feeling lucky. You won't ever not see fishing in poker games. The odds are just too iffy. Even a J 10 offsuit has a chance to hit on the flop, and an inexperienced player will try for the straight no matter what bet you put on the table. This is even more obvious in limit games. Where there are 6 players in the pot each and every time you raise to try and scare somebody away you increase the size of the pot, and make the pot odds worth trying for a gut shot straight draw.

[declan55]

Originally Posted by AtDawg

you're missing the point, Mr Ijustposttoboostmyforumcredits.
the point is that on limit freerolls you can't just take a pot by betting no matter how good your hand is. if it was no limit i would have went all in with KK preflop and never would have had to see the 10J off suit.
the only way to play, I guess, is to check and call until the river comes because I've found that people just don't fold in limit poker.

Kindly wind your neck in AtDawg.
You should show a litle respect to JMahoney he is one of the best poker players on this site, and was just trying to be helpful.
But obviously someone as good as you doesnt need any help from anyone.
Well then why the thread, Just having a moan or did ya actually want a little help with your problem of not knowing how to best handle 'Limit' Poker.
Good Luck my friend

[jimggoldwing]

Simple comment...

Limit Poker = NOFOLDEMHOLDEM

[Jmahoney]

Originally Posted by jim_g_goldwing

Simple comment...

Limit Poker = NOFOLDEMHOLDEM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too true from what I've seen.

Here's a little tidbit I found. Should help u out, some tips from Gus Hansen.

So what strategy changes do you need to play a loose passive (no foldem game)?

Poker is a game of knowledge. Now what knowledge do we have of our opponents in a no-foldem game? We sure know this:

Fact A. Most players will play any two cards, or at least any two suited cards. They will call to showdown with any pair, any straight draw and flush draw and sometimes just a random hand that is in no way connected to the flop.

Consequence: We're bound to get outdrawn quite a lot. AA will probably hold up less then half of the times. And the better player will be drawn out a lot more then the poor player will, simply because the good player doesn't proceed from the flop, unless ahead, or close behind. But when we lose a pot we only lose 20-25% of the pot size. When we win we take down it all. So we only have to win 1 in 5 to break even. In other words - Don't be a whiner. If you want the gold at the end of the rainbow, the price is some horrible outdraws in between.

Fact B. These players seldom bet with less the top pair, and seldom raise after the flop with less then 2 pair.

Consequence: Be prepared to fold that top pair decent kicker for a raise.

Fact C. You will have 50% players in average seeing the flop.

Consequence: You know in advance that you will have pot odds for flush draws, open ended straight draws and gutshot draws with overcards. Basically, if you're strong (read - good at folding a lot) after the flop, you can play a lot of hands like 109s, 98s, 87s and even 76s from late position. In order to fully utilize the fact that you know that you get good pot odds, and have a lot of dead money in the pots, you'll have to take quite a few flops. Seeing a flop is pretty cheap compared to the average pot size. What's expensive is if you take too many hands beyond the flop.

Conventional wisdom is that you have to play tight in a loose game. I don't necessarily agree. You can play somewhat loose pre-flop, provided that you play super tight after the flop.

Fact D. Some idea of how often the pot is raised pre-flop.

Consequence: Some of these games are very passive pre-flop, which means that you can play more hands from earlier positions. If it's start raised more then 50% of the time, you have to play super tight from early and mid positions. In loose passive games that are also passive pre-flop I will play most of the suited connectors (also the lower ones) from mid position as well.

Fact E. No pot is ever won without a showdown.

Consequence: Bluffs don't work. In any case you should not try to play more the two players in any game setting. Also bear in mind, that you'd like to preserve your bluffing to situations where you have a chance to make a big win, i.e. on the river where a really scary river card lands, you're heads up or 3-way, and you know that they perceive you as a really tight non-bluffing player.