Should we go for 10.000 buyin "op66" tourneys?

[BlackLava]

Hi,

after reading recent posts about bingo in OP66 tournaments I think it's worth adding a poll (even if I think myself it won't solve all bingo issues) : Do you want us to switch the 2000 buyin to 10.000 buyin for the 4 daily OP66 free tournaments?
We could make it 1.000.000 guaranteed too then to avoid losing too many players.

In my opinion it is hard to keep a good number of players here and offer a good level of play 4 time per day on play money : My advice would be to hit the Outlaws tournaments (which are available to everyone), but as they cost $1.25 I understand it's not an answer : We need to keep working to find the best way to higher the level of play on free chips tables.

I'm not for highering the buyin of those tournaments, they are community oriented and I don't see why we should avoid bad poker players or newbies to seat there.

Up to you, there is a poll
Please no need to moan about the tech issues or anything else here, too many interesting ideas are lost due to those stories filling threads : I'm the first upset to can't be able to solve all issues directly

'Lava

[knicker]

I think yes, might get rid of some of the bingo players.

[stjimmy]

i voted yes, although i dont play as many as i used to, i`ve noticed more loose play than there was before...

[SternSwiss]

I think it won't change much.

Unless we can revert to the rotating structure (with some 50'000 as well) but I doubt it would be possible.

I have no problem with so called "bingo" players: you can build big stacks with their erratic moves.

And I find the notion is a shady one for the least as I expressed in rad's thread.

So I am fine with both 2'000 or 10'000.

[T_B_H]

i say yes, then players wanting to play might start to use bankroll management to have the chips to join.

but on the downside,everyone can still just convert credits and play

Kev

[Kingcard]

Originally Posted by BlackLava

Hi,


I'm not for highering the buyin of those tournaments, they are community oriented and I don't see why we should avoid bad poker players or newbies to seat there.



'Lava

You got this right the first time boss...real poker means dealing with every situation...good,bad,ugly and all...you taught us how to play,and how to have fun.

[MRCOOL1]

although i agree totally with the idea of having higher buy-in tourneys, i do NOT think that going from 2k to 10k is going to have the intended effect of raising the quality of play by reducing the amount of the so-called 'bingo players'.
first,. we already know that poor bankroll mngmt is one of the key features of the B.P. ( bingo player ). they would think, in my opinion, no harder about squandering a measly 10k even if it is their entire stack to play and ooo even get the chance to really annoy some people.
second,.. i say 'measly' above because as long as the credit converter is in place,...10k chips is literally only 4 or 5 posts on the forum away for some.
third,.. and i apologize if i offend anyone,.. but i'm sorry...even at 10K, as noted,.. pretty much ANYONE can get in,..,,, it's the 'general public'... it's a fact of life that idiots are everywhere. one must learn to deal with them. and in particular, at the poker tables ( no-limit, may i remind you ), alhough, yes it can be annoying, it IS within the rules, this style of play, and as has been pointed out MANY times on the forums, there is an overall winning strategy for playing this type of player. employ it. it works in the long run.

ok ,.. so if we're not and can't get rid of em,.. i CERTAINLY am in favor of chargin em a higher entry fee and therefore making larger winnings ( in the long run ) for the truly better players.

having said THAT,... here's an idea that i DO think may work to raise the quality of the Big Ts ~ either :

a) raise the entry CONSIDERABLY higher for all of them... say to 100k....?....250k?.... personally i dont like this idea because, well,.. i know that's not the real intent of these tourneys, they're supposed to be 'for everyone'... ALL of OP66,,,,and this would severely limit the simple number of participants, as well as giving the tourneys an elitist feel that , again, i don't think is in the site's intent.

or,.. second, more complex idea,..

ADD either a few more tourneys at this higher level...
or
CREATE a new 'level' of tourney system at this higher buy in bracket.

now, part of the complexity of this plan(s) is the issue of the, then, relative merit and value of the existing tourney/medal/points structure?...
i dunno lol.. it IS something that would have to be considered, though

ok,, im done


..maybe........

[MRCOOL1]

ohhh i knew i was gonna forget to mention,,,

i really think that the desire and call for, simply put, a quality tournament, at THIS point would override the need for ANY sort of 'honors' system.
Bluntly, sir,.. we would be happy just to play

[Kingcard]

psst mr C...could that be any longer lol...

[sa11y69]

its not going to make a difference really is it? the bingo players all have over 10k so whats the point?! all thats going to happen is that the newcomers, who really want to experience a tourney (and we ALL remember how daunting our 1st one was) wont be able to get in..but the bingo players wont be affected and if it gets raised to 100k, then a lot of people wont be able to get in...not everyone from op66 has this amount of chips..so i'll vote no...i'd love the issue to be resolved, but raising the price isnt the solution...

[telboy]

i dont think a higher buy in will stop this,but i do think that if the sit n gos could be sorted out these players might go there instead slightly off subject i know but on the old site there seemed to be a table for all kinds of players

[sa11y69]

Originally Posted by telboy

i dont think a higher buy in will stop this,but i do think that if the sit n gos could be sorted out these players might go there instead slightly off subject i know but on the old site there seemed to be a table for all kinds of players

totally agree...well said tel

[6CACTUSJACK6]

why do we have credits anyway,its now too easy to get chips via earning credits and converting them,do we really need them.

[BlackLava]

About credits : The ones using the converter are mostly forums members and/or Outlaws players... Such "community" members aren't the more annoying one when it comes to "bingo issues", from that I don't think the converter is the real problem here.

I agree the Sit&Go schedule was a way to clearly level the players at the tables but the big tournaments even on the old script were about the same buyin than what we are talking about here (1k, 5k, 5k, 10k, 50k).
The rotating structure isn't possible anymore, we must go for daily events.

I'm for keeping 2k for the big tournaments but if the poll goes that way we could give a try to a different setup and come back in case the play level isn't any better.

[cuddycat]

[QUOTE=BlackLava;262863]About credits : The ones using the converter are mostly forums members and/or Outlaws players... Such "community" members aren't the more annoying one when it comes to "bingo issues", from that I don't think the converter is the real problem here.

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Sorry but I disagree. The credit converter is a problem not just for encouraging bingo players, but also for spam and useless threads in the forum.

I use the forum a lot and have a reasonable amount of credits, I dont play outlaws or convert the credits so I get hounded by people asking for donations because they have been stupid enough to mis manage their bankroll. If the convertor wasnt there this would not happen.

Its not as though you can give 10k anymore either I have seen donations being given of 50k and one even asked me for 100k of credits so he could play with his friends!!

[DarthYoda]

unfortunately no matter what the buy in there will be bingo players
you see them on the real money tables as well
i think no matter what the buy in you will get bingo players
also if the tournaments were made a million guaranteed that would probably attract more bingo players
10k entry sounds fair

[nickos1001]

i would go along with a higer buyin, but i dont think it would make much difference.. all these players need is one lucky hand on a ring table and they are in.. and like a few people have said i think they only join to annoy people..

There have always been and will always be people who play BINGO style the only way to get round it is to play with greater intelligence than them.
It doesnt make for a good game but this all you can do..

[stevo_58]

I think it's great that you are considering trying to respond to an issue clearly evident from the forum. I think I'd be right in saying that's the whole basis of your idea for this site.

As far as the buy in Vs bingo player, I really don't think it would change anything raising the buy in, other than making it harder for the newer players to experience an OP tourney.

I don't have an answer to the problem, but as has been said, youre going o get the 'bingo' player wherever you go, so I guess it's up to us 'non bingo' players to learn to deal with them in our game play.

[Tiger_Girl]

where is all the bingoplayersi dont see them when i play op tornys,or maybe am blindwhere i see them is when i am in freerolls and low ring tables.not much bingo at koth either anymore

[Breezy064]

[QUOTE=cuddycat;262892]

Originally Posted by BlackLava

About credits : The ones using the converter are mostly forums members and/or Outlaws players... Such "community" members aren't the more annoying one when it comes to "bingo issues", from that I don't think the converter is the real problem here.

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Sorry but I disagree. The credit converter is a problem not just for encouraging bingo players, but also for spam and useless threads in the forum.

I use the forum a lot and have a reasonable amount of credits, I dont play outlaws or convert the credits so I get hounded by people asking for donations because they have been stupid enough to mis manage their bankroll. If the convertor wasnt there this would not happen.

Its not as though you can give 10k anymore either I have seen donations being given of 50k and one even asked me for 100k of credits so he could play with his friends!!

Sorry hun, but I agree with Lava on this. If you check the River Rats list, it is mostly people from the forum, and they aren't the bingo players.

I myself have made the list and I hate bingo. But I've made a few bad calls, played drunk , lost chips from freeze outs, or just had a spell of bad luck. Plus there are a few things I'm still learning. I play the higher limit tables because most of the players there are real poker players, and I'm learning a lot from them. But some are expensive lessons!!!

Back on topic...I don't play the tourneys, so I really can't vote at this time, but I don't think changing the limit will change anything. The bingo players have enough to buy in at 10k.