Should we go for 10.000 buyin "op66" tourneys?

[reaper1569]

1 way is 2 make players play on 1 table untill 1 winner no buy inns then when each table has finish so 20 tables bcum 10 n so 4th this may help as then as it is halfed eatch time if u hav bingo player they will b taken out in due corse as the bully always get caught.... but as it has bin mentioned it is fair play... so wat can b done will b done.. i liked old omaha 30k table were when u were out u learned not 2 go crazy... i ve done ok on new site as i play tight n lose .. think its the best way am up abwt 3 mill so doin ok .. but i 2 do sum times get anoyed.. so i take a breather ..then cum bk or play small 1 s dont think that makin higher buy inn s will do it butall intiled 2 own oppion... gl all n great point lava

[M_80]

I agree with cuddycat - the converter is the problem. I saw one player asking for credits on the forum. Then a couple hours later I saw him on the 10,000 buying game. He wasn't interested in starting at lower tables and working his way up, he was interesting in a quick score, knowing that if he didn't make it he could just beg for and convert more credits.
I don't mind bingo players. But if you want to get rid of them, then make it more difficult to recover. I spent months earning my chips. I have never converted a single credit. I am not willing to risk months of work to play bingo. I will not convert credits because I think it takes away from those who earned their chips.
As long as their is an easy way provided people will use it. Make it hard to get there and people will appreciate it and respect it more. You will always find individuals willing to "shoot the works" to get there in a hurry. But when it takes months to recover it will eliminate a lot of them.
I say keep the buy-in at 2000 which will give everyone a chance to play and eliminate the easy out of the credit converter.

[cuddycat]

Its not just the credit converter that is creating the bingo player that is true. Being able to have an account both with OP66 and Pitbull does not help matters. We all seen what happened when Pitbull players joined the OP66 side with massive chip balances and this is still happening. I know of several players who have dual accounts that they dont just use for real money and play money which is the only legitimate reason I can think of.

[Tb1rd]

I say raise the level, if not to get the bingo out, but with alot of free chips at stake they may WANT to play good to get the money. Plus it wouldnt hurt winning a little more from them

[caposilvio]

When i started, i had to work hard at getting enough chips
to enter said tournies. I didnt know about the converter.

Surely that is the point though,to get a higher bankroll as ur play merits it. If the converter was limited to say once per week (max conversion)i think this may reduce the number of players who convert their credits just to enter tournies and play bingo at tables a fair bit. As said by people above it would certainly encourage players to work on there bankroll management.

Still allowing some conversions would allow newbies to enter the tournies and get a feel for them, though bingo players would be limited to amount of tournies and and times at the tables where they wish to play like this.

Surely good players have nothing to fear as they have already played many a bingo player and know how to play against this style of "play".

[stepoff]

I can see all of your points on this... I hate a bingo player that ruins your hand with a all in before the flop, and i also hate the fact that we all fold late in the game to give them the chips from the ante to do it again.. By this said, there should be more invite tables in my opinion with a pass word. You dont see this on a invite game knor a invite tourny.. Just my opinion............

[zsazsaz]

It still impresses me everytime to see moans and groans being listened to and within a day resolutions trying to be reached.

I'm not sure that a higher buyin will change anything. It is not every game that there is a problem, in fact the last few that I've played have been exceptional. A few words here and there and a few lucky wins, far from bingo. Guess we just learn to live with the few (games) that aren't as good. (I voted no... sorry)

[Grovewilks]

Im with Tiger - i dont see too many Bingo players and dont think its as much of a problem as being made out. I think the definition of Bingo needs to be clarified though. Saying that i did doble up first hand today to one loony but dont mind the odd one.

What concerns me about the suggestion is that i have a fluctuating stack that is regluarly going down to a few thousand and back up to around 150,000 - i dont have many credits as i dont play Outlaws and i would hate to miss a game as i dont have the entrance fee. I dont want to go begging for credits to get me in.

2 tournies a day for me 10,000 each - if i dont win it would quickly empty the coffers

[LfcFan]

I voted "NO,keep 2000 as buy-in"
I dont seem to see a massive amount of "bingo" players,therefor im not gettin annoyed like other members.
We need to let newbies/everybody have a taste of the OP66 tornyz.That is what adds to the community that this site is all about,simple.

As4a solution2the problem of "bingo" or "bad play",well here's a few ideas,even if they are pipedreams or impossible to implement;

1.Scrap or add a daily limit to the credit converter.I have no idea why it is needed.Players with less than 1000chips can reload 3 times everyday,its not like they cant play anywhere.
2.Change the credits earned in "Outlaws",so they can NOT be converted.
3.Just points,medals&buy-in repaid.Who would want to play a torny that has no profit?I would because its about the bragging rights and sense of achivement.There are lots of other games to win chips at.
4.The top 15 of every OP66 torny gets a ticket to a new torny with no pay-out,just points&medals.Only issue there is,when the torny would be played,some will miss out.
5.Up your own game so that is you taking out these players

[loveschips]

I voted no. As has been said throughout this your going to get bingo players no matter what. It is annoying but if they want to play like that they can. Poker is poker and everyone has their own style. It is up to you to find a way to beat them lol. Keep the 2000 buy in why punish those of us who are not bingo players. My bankroll is not huge and I usually just play some tournys sit and goes and once in a while rings so though ten k is not a super amount over time I would be taking a huge hit.

[zsazsaz]

Originally Posted by LfcFan

3.Just points,medals&buy-in repaid.Who would want to play a torny that has no profit?I would because its about the bragging rights and sense of achivement.There are lots of other games to win chips at.

I like this. I would definately still play, as it is how I already think of the tourney's.

[Carmine555]

Originally Posted by TheBountyHunter

i say yes, then players wanting to play might start to use bankroll management to have the chips to join.

but on the downside,everyone can still just convert credits and play

Kev

Spot on! As long as we have credit conversions, the BINGO will be at higher levels.

[Ken_de_Ben]

Game on ,you want some ,come get some

[bobohall]

I'm totally for higher buyins. While bingo players will still show up, there will be less and they weed out faster. I enjoy playing tourneys, but the timing for OP66 tourneys often don't meet my schedule. I,therefore, play the 10K at 15:00 as much as possible. I also play the 2k ones. There is much better play on the 10K.I believe this is not just because there's less bingo players,but it's more attractive to better ones PLUS the higher prize makes it more worthwhile to play better.
IMHO, one reason we have so many donkey bingo players is it's too easy for them to reload after losing all their chips. Those who have figured how to "cheat" the reload with continuous 20K reloads play with an "I don't care if I lose attitude." After awhile, it's all they know.

[akire]

What is all the fuzz about the bingo players. I have been playing lately on the OP66 tourneys and it seems that the same people always get the medals. Why is that. They play aggressive and go in with 2 10 or they raise and then another person raises ? and then the next round they fold and therefore the pot goes to one of the players who always wins.
I know I am not a good players, but I have come in 6th out of 554on freeroll but have a hard time to play on the OP66 with all the players gunning for medals..
I think raising it to 10k is a little rough for some people with a smaller bankroll. Not everybody has 23 Mil+.
I myself have played since Nov 2008 and I cannot get to 500k. I dont play all day, just some of the tourneys and sometimes the tables.
Give some of the other players (not the once who ask to play for 100K in Sit and Go) a chance to play on a OP66 Tournament.
Have some tourny's (OP which count) for people with a smaller bankroll where the buy in is 2-5K.

[koeke]

i would love to see that happen cause then their would be almost only good players their wich wil make it harder and more fun if u win 1