some one please explain....this IS 'NO-LIMIT' aint it???

[MRCOOL1]

maybe there's something in the rules i'm missing, or dont know about... I've asked on the tables and haven't gotten an answer yet that makes sense,, but yet no-one seems to be as perplexed or bothered that it happens...

this occasional phenomenon of not being able to raise a bet. it usually happens when 1 player is all in, but not every time someone is all in,, ive tried to watch for a pattern to find the 'rule' for it,, but it seems to be random...

ok.. here's a simple example with players A, B, C:

blinds 100/200
A-2500 chips
B- 2100 chips
C- 216 chips

A=small blind
B= big blind

pre-flop, player C goes all in with his 216

player A only has the option to call 116, player B only has the option to call 16

player B has a monster, and is pretty steamed that they cannot raise...

this IS NO LIMIT poker, aint it...???

i would really appreciate any thoughtful responses and/or explanations as to why this happens.

thanks

[MRCOOL1]

ps..... this better not be another 'feature' that's missing from flash

[stjimmy]

i use download version, and the same occurs there. i hadn't really thought about it until i read this. i have no clue i'm affraid mrC...

[jim1961]

I have sometimes noticed that these are your only choices BEFORE it comes around to your turn, but once it is your turn the slider bar and all-in options reappear - keep an eye out for it.
So you need to be careful not to pre-select or it goes straight past.

[MRCOOL1]

Originally Posted by jim1961

I have sometimes noticed that these are your only choices BEFORE it comes around to your turn, but once it is your turn the slider bar and all-in options reappear - keep an eye out for it.
So you need to be careful not to pre-select or it goes straight past.

thanks for the attempt, jim,, however, us that use flash dont have the luxury of the 'pre-select options'... we have no options whatsoever until it is our turn.....
,,,then, in these situations, there ONLY appear TWO buttons: 'FOLD' and 'CALL'

the more i think about it and pay attention to the possible scenarios, there is quite alot of potential for a serious handicap related to this issue tho.... it still makes no sense to me why.....???

oh, and btw, this has happened on both the ring tables and in the tourneys,.... so......again..... .....

i also contacted 24/7 about this a bit ago,,, was given the typical answer " we dont see that when we test, and cannot duplicate it, sorry for the inconvenience "

[Ausangel]

Maybe a screenshot, the next time it happens...along with hand # and table etc

[jim1961]

Originally Posted by MRCOOL1

thanks for the attempt, jim,, however, us that use flash dont have the luxury of the 'pre-select options'... we have no options whatsoever until it is our turn.....
,,,then, in these situations, there ONLY appear TWO buttons: 'FOLD' and 'CALL'

the more i think about it and pay attention to the possible scenarios, there is quite alot of potential for a serious handicap related to this issue tho.... it still makes no sense to me why.....???

oh, and btw, this has happened on both the ring tables and in the tourneys,.... so......again..... .....

i also contacted 24/7 about this a bit ago,,, was given the typical answer " we dont see that when we test, and cannot duplicate it, sorry for the inconvenience "

This story is absolutely unbelievable.

Mr Cool got a response from 24/7 !!!!!!!

[stevo_58]

Originally Posted by jim1961

This story is absolutely unbelievable.

Mr Cool got a response from 24/7 !!!!!!!

lol Jim I bet you get some flack for that lmao

[MRCOOL1]

Originally Posted by Ausangel

Maybe a screenshot, the next time it happens...along with hand # and table etc

Originally Posted by MRCOOL1

i also contacted 24/7 about this a bit ago,,, was given the typical answer " we dont see that when we test, and cannot duplicate it, sorry for the inconvenience "

sorry, i am unable to do screenshots ...

as hinted at in the above quote, I've already taken the route of forwarding hand #'s and examples to 24/7 and was told that they don't 'see' this happening on those hands.
( ps: without a hand history it's a bit difficult as well )

so now, what next??.... ive basically been told that i need to 'prove' that it happens..( like im making this up ...?? ) when i supply the info, im told that they dont see the same thing...

i KNOW im not the only one this happens to... since ive started to pay attention to this, i ask the others in the hand when it happens, and am always confirmed that they dont have the option to raise, either.
I can't understand why no-one else is as concerned by this as I...

i dont know what else to say, it seems so obvious that this is a major 'glitch'.. and the cavalier attitude ive gotten in response does not give me much hope that this will be paid much attention to. Maybe you will remember that a similar situation developed around the 'card changing' glitch ( which STILL has not been 'fixed' ).. i was told the same thing then.. and i spent days tracking hand #s and reporting.. but NOTHING EVER HAPPENED... so you can understand why i'm a BIT CYNICAL of this 'standard response' from tech and admin.

This is not MY site,,, i dont 'work' here.. i come here to play. I should not have to spend my time tracking and cataloging 'errors' so that those that DO work here can tell me that 'we cannot find that in our data base'...

Ive done my job.. reported it and brought it to the attention of admin and tech. It up to those people to find and fix it, IMHO.
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[BlackLava]

I understand your frustration MrCool but has I said to you through PM we have hidden issues which need full focus from tech team, behind that it's not always as easy to fix and track issues than it looks like.

Still trying to do my best to bump tech team on important glitches, can't say I'm fully happy of the actual situation but they still have my full support

[MRCOOL1]

MONTHS ago we were given the same syrup about the other 'glitches' and were asked to wait, that 'they' were working on it...give it a few days and/or weeks.

MONTHS LATER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

sooo lets see... if they're still working on other glitches... and now this one added to the list... hmmmm....at this rate, mayyybe by the end of 2010 this might be a properly functioning POKER site.

[doods]

I thought this was part of poker, there's complicated betting rules Now let us consider when a player has gone all in with a partial raise. Other players may not reraise on a player's all in raise unless (a) it is a full raise or (b) they have not yet acted since the most recent full bet or raise. This is complicated so let's use an example.

Suppose we have players A, B, and C in a game where the blinds are $5-10. Player A opens with a raise to $50 total chips (he matches the $10 blinds and raises by $40). Player B reraises all in for a total of $70 total chips (he calls the bet of $50 plus raises $20 more). Player C cold calls the $70. Player A can not reraise since Player B did not put in a legal raise. Player B raised by only $20 when he needed to match a raise of $40. Note that Player C could have raised if he desired, since he had not yet acted in response to the original bet My apologies if im wrong

[Arezzo]

...also in the flash version I noticed you have no option to see your folded hands....

[MRCOOL1]

Originally Posted by doods

I thought this was part of poker, there's complicated betting rules Now let us consider when a player has gone all in with a partial raise. Other players may not reraise on a player's all in raise unless (a) it is a full raise or (b) they have not yet acted since the most recent full bet or raise. This is complicated so let's use an example.

Suppose we have players A, B, and C in a game where the blinds are $5-10. Player A opens with a raise to $50 total chips (he matches the $10 blinds and raises by $40). Player B reraises all in for a total of $70 total chips (he calls the bet of $50 plus raises $20 more). Player C cold calls the $70. Player A can not reraise since Player B did not put in a legal raise. Player B raised by only $20 when he needed to match a raise of $40. Note that Player C could have raised if he desired, since he had not yet acted in response to the original bet My apologies if im wrong

i see what you're saying, and have thought about the scenario in your example, but in a NO LIMIT game, players A and C should be able to re-raise any amount over the minimum bet. Even if player C just calls, player A should still be able to go over the top.
Furthermore, in the example ive given in the first post, this is not what is happening... there was no initial raise that had been re-raised ... it is simply one player going all in, and the other players left with more than enough chips to call AND raise,, but not being able.

the example I gave was actually a real one... happened in wombats last nite.. the all-in player was severely shortstacked, their all-in was only 16 chips over the BB, yet NO-ONE else could re-raise even tho we had plenty o' chips to do so.

[doods]

Originally Posted by MRCOOL1

i see what you're saying, and have thought about the scenario in your example, but in a NO LIMIT game, players A and C should be able to re-raise any amount over the minimum bet. Even if player C just calls, player A should still be able to go over the top.
Furthermore, in the example ive given in the first post, this is not what is happening... there was no initial raise that had been re-raised ... it is simply one player going all in, and the other players left with more than enough chips to call AND raise,, but not being able.

the example I gave was actually a real one... happened in wombats last nite.. the all-in player was severely shortstacked, their all-in was only 16 chips over the BB, yet NO-ONE else could re-raise even tho we had plenty o' chips to do so.

ok mate, I've had this happen to me too, not just on this site though, so i dunno....

[Tb1rd]

Mrcool ... I swear you just go looking for glitches .

But good find

[pokerpus]

Originally Posted by MRCOOL1

MONTHS ago we were given the same syrup about the other 'glitches' and were asked to wait, that 'they' were working on it...give it a few days and/or weeks.

MONTHS LATER, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

sooo lets see... if they're still working on other glitches... and now this one added to the list... hmmmm....at this rate, mayyybe by the end of 2010 this might be a properly functioning POKER site.

things have changed mr.cool ,,we lost our pokerpoint freerolls and cant spend poker points anymore,,,and when a player is all in ,,usually i am not able to raise there all in,,i thought it was a rule i didnt know about.

[MRCOOL1]

Originally Posted by pokerpus

things have changed mr.cool ,,we lost our pokerpoint freerolls and cant spend poker points anymore,,,and when a player is all in ,,usually i am not able to raise there all in,,i thought it was a rule i didnt know about.

sorry, my bad... should've said " nothing has changed for the better "

[CherryPie]

this isnt just on flash.... ive had it happen a lot of times but just ignored it... :S ??? i don't get it either.

[MRCOOL1]

thanks stjimmy and cherrypie for the confirmation that this isn't a flash related issue. that's one load off my mind

i STILL cannot understand why people aren't absolutely outraged about this, though ... this IS a poker site... and we should expect that the game should follow the 'rules'.... not having a 'bet pot' button is one thing,, that at least can be manually taken care of... but to have a legal play absolutely eliminated and unavailable can make a HUGE difference in how the hand plays out...

what's next?... a 'glitch' that gives us 3 cards instead of 2?... or pays out to the wrong player?... or changes your cards after you get them ? ...( oh wait, there already is that one lol )...
and we're supposed to just 'accept' and say "oh well... its still a 'small site',, im sure they'll get it right eventually"...??

BULL....

you claim to have a POKER site...when people come here they should expect to play POKER.. not a 'reasonable facsimile thereof'...If you CANNOT provide a REAL game of poker to the members, you should INFORM people what they are getting into : ( ie: ONLINE POKER-ISH )... otherwise, it's MISREPRESENTATION and FALSE ADVERTISING... i dont EVEN wanna go into the implications of this for the real money players...


*sigh*.....