some one please explain....this IS 'NO-LIMIT' aint it???

[MRCOOL1]

by the way... this is not an infrequent happening... I'd say , reasonably, that I see it happen about half-dozen times each nite in the 3-4 hours i play.



ok, shutting up now

[jimggoldwing]

Oh please NOOOOOOO!

This is worth the price of admission watching you pop your veins every 5 minutes!!!

Originally Posted by MRCOOL1

ok, shutting up now

[MRCOOL1]

Originally Posted by jimggoldwing

Oh please NOOOOOOO!

This is worth the price of admission watching you pop your veins every 5 minutes!!!

laugh all you want, Mr " 8th on mammoth tourney average "...

[jimggoldwing]

You are in a lonnnng line laughing on that one...

And some day, I *might* find a Mod who is willing to correct it!

Originally Posted by MRCOOL1

laugh all you want, Mr " 8th on mammoth tourney average "...

[FinalCaIl]

I've had this happen to me as well but it has always been legal. Their is a rule known as the "incomplete bet or raise" which explains someone being unable to re-raise in a no-limit game. I've copied some text from wikipedia because I'm lazy.

"Incomplete bet or raise

If a player goes all in with a bet or raise rather than a call, another special rule comes into play. There are two options in common use: pot-limit and no-limit games usually use what is called the full bet rule, while fixed-limit and spread-limit games may use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all-in bet is less than the minimum bet, or if the amount of an all-in raise is less than the full amount of the previous raise, it does not constitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all-in bet or raise is equal to or larger than half the minimum amount, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action.

For example, with the full bet rule in effect, a player opens the betting round for $20, and the next player has a total stake of $30. He may raise to $30, declaring himself all in, but this does not constitute a "real" raise, in the following sense: if a third player now calls the $30, and the first player's turn to act comes up, he may now call the additional $10, but he does not have the right to re-raise further. The all-in player's pseudo-raise was really just a call with some extra money, and the third player's call was just a call, so the initial opener's bet was simply called by both remaining players, closing the betting round (even though he must still equalize the money by putting in the additional $10). If the half bet rule were being used, then that raise would count as a genuine raise and the first player would be entitled to re-raise if he chose to (creating a side pot for the amount of his re-raise and the third player's call, if any)."


I think this explains why the last person to raise or bet cannot re-raise and why anyone who has called that bet or raise cannot re-raise. It doesn't explain why someone who has yet to act cannot re-raise but I've never had that problem.

Hope this helps you.

[stevo_58]

Originally Posted by FinalCaIl

It doesn't explain why someone who has yet to act cannot re-raise but I've never had that problem.

Hope this helps you.

Well it sure helped me Final, thanks for that. As per your post it does still leave one question. And MrC I'm sure I was on the table when we could only 'top-up' our bets by the additional 16 chips (or whatever the exact amount was) to match what the all in short stack player had bet. I didn't even think about it at the time but now that you mention it it does seem a bit odd? I wonder if there is an explanation for it. By the way I play with the download version.

[ilovekerry]

for as long as i can remember this has always been there i never read up rules on poker. i taught myself from my mistakes so anything i know i picked up. i generally assumed this was part of the game

i dont have a clue what it is but i am posative its always been there as its annoyed me before

[MRCOOL1]

thanks, FinalCall... its nice to have that rule layed out clearly for us...
i am familiar with it, and doods above here alluded to it as well...

however, again,, this is not what is happening ...
in the instance above, there were only the blinds and the 3rd player ( all-in shortstack ) , so either of the blinds should've been able to raise, correct?... as they have not 'acted' yet, and therefore did not open the round. or ...???

it may also be good to note that ive seen this happen on the 5K ring tables.... :

opening bet after flop 100K
all -in raise to 218K ( this is more than the minimum bet at this point, 100k)
2 players yet to act cannot raise....

....

if im missing something.... ...( thats why i put it here instead of the tech forum,..) but but so far it appears to be a glitch according to admin and 24/7... when i went to 24/7 with a few hand # examples, they looked and said that they DID agree that we should've been able to raise, but they just couldn't verify that we weren't able to ( ie: they can only see the action and the chat, not the individual player's screens/options ).
unable to do screenshots as i am, i am unable to 'prove' to them that the button was actually missing lol....

[jimggoldwing]

It was all the drugs in the 60's...

[FinalCaIl]

I agree with you MrCool, it doesn't explain why someone who has yet to act, in this case the blinds, cannot raise. Incomplete raises occur often without really impacting on betting especially with ten people at a table. I'm wondering if it had something to do with only three people being left at the table and two of them already having mandatory bets(blinds) on the table. Technically they should be able to raise but perhaps the poker script has a little bug in these cases.

[tattmando]

Originally Posted by MRCOOL1

by the way... this is not an infrequent happening... I'd say , reasonably, that I see it happen about half-dozen times each nite in the 3-4 hours i play.



ok, shutting up now

i too see it frequently, at least 3 times daily. i've even had it happen after the flop hits to speed check evry1 at the table to the end of the hand so fast i had to look at hand history just to see who won with what hand.

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[bakdoorbetty]

ok now i get it

its just happened to me .........wanted to go all in but only choice was to call or fold cost me the hand lol, i asked the winning player if he wudda called preflop if i had gone all in.......nope he said, which meant i wudda won hand

weird

[tattmando]

fun times huh betty

[N4red]

If the all in is not a full raise, you can't raise any on top, only call... that is true if you go to any casino or poker room

[MRCOOL1]

Originally Posted by N4red

If the all in is not a full raise, you can't raise any on top, only call... that is true if you go to any casino or poker room

please do not reference the 'incomplete raise' rule here... its been discussed already and we should all already be aware of it ( by now at least ). it is NOT what is happening in these cases. thank you.