Ace + rag??

[stjimmy]

I still can't believe how many people play A+rag, (A with 2/3/4/5/6/7/8) i fold unless suited, and even when suited, i'll only flat call if the blinds are still cheap. of course if youre short stacked or heads up its a different story.
ive talked about this with some friends last night, and their argument for A+rag was you might hit 2 pair, but if you look at it like that, you may as well play 7/2 and hope to hit 2 pair. i was playing outlaws main tourney today, was playing very tight, other player raised, i re-raised with AK, he called, flop was something like A 4 8 (or similar). i raised, he went all-in i called and beat his A6,
if he just folded a6 preflop, he'd have still been playing. why get involed with A6??? crazy if you ask me...

[sigalahe1]

Simple answer- For beginners an ace looks nice, so they play it. If the hit an ace on the flop, they think they have an unbeatable hand now, so they go with it. Beginners don't think what other players have.

[stevo_58]

Yes.....and no.
I agree......and disagree.
I'm guilty.....and not guilty.
It varies so much depending on so many things.
But then maybe that's an area where my game is poor?

[stjimmy]

Originally Posted by stevo_58

Yes.....and no.
I agree......and disagree.
I'm guilty.....and not guilty.
It varies so much depending on so many things.
But then maybe that's an area where my game is poor?

can you see my point, if you hit the ace on the flop, it is very hard to fold, why get involved in the first place, fold before the flop and forget about it.
of course there are many factors to consider, im just saying, in general, i fold pre-flop...

[stjimmy]

Originally Posted by sigalahe1

Simple answer- For beginners an ace looks nice, so they play it. If the hit an ace on the flop, they think they have an unbeatable hand now, so they go with it. Beginners don't think what other players have.

the player who i knocked out earlier, is not a beginner, hes won many medals, and tourneys on play and cash side.. and i know many other experienced players who'll play A+rag, i used to play A rag all the time, but learnt from my mistakes...

[norwichrich]

have to agree with jimmy although the amount of times i get beat with A rag are untrue

[stjimmy]

Originally Posted by norwichrich

have to agree with jimmy although the amount of times i get beat with A rag are untrue

i think it just sticks in the mind when a5 beats youre ak, ak will win most of the time..

[sigalahe1]

Originally Posted by stjimmy

the player who i knocked out earlier, is not a beginner, hes won many medals, and tourneys on play and cash side.. and i know many other experienced players who'll play A+rag, i used to play A rag all the time, but learnt from my mistakes...

Experience means nothing, you can play all your lifetime and still not beat 1$ sngs. Nor do the medals or some tourney won at real money side show anything. A sample of 500-1000 played tournies at the real money side shows what the player can really do.

[roo27]

can see both sides of this argument as i see ace rag difrently at difrent times a 7 on a table with 6 or more players is a instent fold for me as even if you hit top pair on flop with the bad kicker youv still not got a hand to bet yet on a table of 4 or less players on the right kind of table it can be a rasing hand for me and playing the right person id even consider a all in heads up with ace 3

[sa11y69]

i NEVER play A rag...and i hate people who do

i went all in preflop with AK suited, got called by A6 off...guess who hit the 6....

[norwichrich]

funny you should say that m8, just recently my AK got beat with A5..A*4 comes on the flop, turn 3, river 2. stuck in my mind? i would of liked to of stuck them cards up his........ errrrrrm.......nose! hehe

[Mr_Slick]

I do tend to play ACE-RAG=2345 never with the 6789 and only on small limit blinds. The reason for this is because Ive folded so many times and I would of hit the str8, hmm now Im wondering if Im giving my strategy away So jimmy my friend doe's this sort of play surprise you..? I think its an example of everyone plays there own style, I wouldn't change mine for no one, and at the same time I wouldn't expect anyone to change theres.

P.S. Someone did mention playing Ace-Rag in "Heads Up" which is a good ploy and is something I tend to do anyway. Steve.

[Mr_Slick]

Originally Posted by sa11y69

i NEVER play A rag...and i hate people who do

i went all in preflop with AK suited, got called by A6 off...guess who hit the 6....

You must hate me then sa11y

[stjimmy]

Originally Posted by Mr_Slick

I do tend to play ACE-RAG=2345 never with the 6789 and only on small limit blinds. The reason for this is because Ive folded so many times and I would of hit the str8, hmm now Im wondering if Im giving my strategy away So jimmy my friend doe's this sort of play surprise you..? I think its an example of everyone plays there own style, I wouldn't change mine for no one, and at the same time I wouldn't expect anyone to change theres.

P.S. Someone did mention playing Ace-Rag in "Heads Up" which is a good ploy and is something I tend to do anyway. Steve.

as i said, heads up is different, i`ll go all-in with a2 heads up.

[DeanReeves66]

i dont usealy play ace rags but it depends on if its suited and the position im in..
if im in early position its an instant fold i even fold AJ/A10 sumtimes but i see alot of ppl limp with it what ever position there in. but sum ppl like to call with ace rag because like u said they could hit 2 pair and if they do they are gonna take the other players stack if he has AK/AQ...
any ace heads up is a strong hand so yes raise all in if u want to lol

[BBOB]

I agree with most of what has been said. I rarely play ace rag unless its shorthanded. But their are so many factors to take into consideration too. I also am not crazy about ace 10 or ace jack in certain situations at a full table but it very much depends on my opponent and the situation at hand. All and all most begining players over play a weak ace more times than not. I love discussing poker thanks to jimmy for starting this thread.

[maddarcy]

jimmy on this site u can ace king opponet got ace two the river will kill u any way a two will pop up 4 sure m8 this site murphys law in poker m8 ..if u can be beat u will ..

[Ace_Queen]

Lol if i fold any of em they win lol if i play em they lose....i do tend to play em more if there suited .....

[reaper1569]

i think its getin verry agressive site . and most players will call 2 hit river ..does nt matter wat u hav in ur hand its fustratin but thats the game..all cards look great untill flop.

[Arezzo]

...I call with rags....never do I raise...you just need 2 see how it all pans out...I have beat AK with "rags" 2 many xs 2 count...hehe