Defending yourself against the all-in.

[RobbieLePop]

Here's a question for you all. It's a problem I've had a couple of times recently.

You're playing a multi-table tourney and there is a very loose/aggresive player on your table.
He is winning many hands, not by pure luck, but the right combination of aggression to make the opponent fold or getting max chip value.

Presume now that the community cards show something like A J 8 5 2 and you've got A K in hand or similar. You've put in a fair few of chips to make it to the river seeing as you have top pocket pair with a good kicker.
However, now it comes to the crunch and you're opponent suddenly goes all in leaving you with the decision to call (which would knock you out if you lose) or fold (which would leave you short stacked but not so much it would hypothetically knock you out)

How would you deal with this kind of player? It's not massively out of the question that he has A J or A 8 or J 8 or J J J etc etc...

[TonySop]

I dont think its possible to answer a particular situation - Any all in situation is either a good hand or a bluff - rarely an educated guess that u have a better hand.
If you are playing a short stacked player - its almost an insult not to bully them to within an inch of all their chips.
Dont try bully the chip leader.
You can play all inners/aggresive players - it depends who they are and what table you are on. And ultimately, what run of cards they get.
Just thought Id add - I think the best practise in 'all in' is play on the 400 or ultras - gd luck.

[dragon13]

ultimately u have to decide 2 things
1 is he bluffing or not
2 do u think ur hand is better than his
then make ur mind up and gl

[OP66fozzy]

Your scenario, there is no straight to worry about. Assuming there is no flush draw either, then I would be calling as you have top pair, top kicker. Yes there is the potential they have 2 pair, but that is a judgement call you are going to have to make.

I'm an aggressive player, and given that you describe a flop giving you top pair, I'd be betting big on that in the first place. If you play a passive game, it gives your opponent the opportunity to see cheap turn and river cards, where they may pick up a second pair.

No one rule fits all, we all play different games, so you are going to have to play it as you see fit.

[Shurtugal]

Considering he has been doing it all game, yes.
Thats how I get my chips in mini-tourny's.

[firecutting]

Depends what position i am in the tourney

[chipjones]

just go for it its all for fun anyway

[renboach]

I only ever go all in when i know im going to win.. i know that sounds weak but you can never trust your luck. Especially if you are me lol

[Dada_Dali]

Originally Posted by RobbieLePop

Here's a question for you all. It's a problem I've had a couple of times recently.

You're playing a multi-table tourney and there is a very loose/aggresive player on your table.
He is winning many hands, not by pure luck, but the right combination of aggression to make the opponent fold or getting max chip value.

Presume now that the community cards show something like A J 8 5 2 and you've got A K in hand or similar. You've put in a fair few of chips to make it to the river seeing as you have top pocket pair with a good kicker.
However, now it comes to the crunch and you're opponent suddenly goes all in leaving you with the decision to call (which would knock you out if you lose) or fold (which would leave you short stacked but not so much it would hypothetically knock you out)

How would you deal with this kind of player? It's not massively out of the question that he has A J or A 8 or J 8 or J J J etc etc...

Perhaps a better question would be how did you come to this position? When did the Ace show on the board? I'll assume that you flopped the Ace and have been betting aggressively yourself, with your opponent hanging with you (if the Ace came later, why were you still in the hand?). Considering that your opponent has been winning "not by pure luck". I think I would believe him and fold. Getting bluffed out of a pot is not the worst thing that can happen to you (never second guess a lay down).

However, I would also trust my gut feeling. If my spider-sense told me I had the best hand, I would bet it. Getting knocked out of a tourney is not the end of the world either (how’s that for a privileged glimpse of the flippin' obvious?).

HTH

[checkraise24]

"When did the Ace show on the board?"- Dada Dali

Well, dali, he shows in his thread it came it the beginning of the flop =]

[Dada_Dali]

Originally Posted by checkraise24

"When did the Ace show on the board?"- Dada Dali

Well, dali, he shows in his thread it came it the beginning of the flop =]

Where does it say that? He could be listing the cards in face order (which is more likely than that they came down that way).

[RobbieLePop]

Maybe you're over-analysing my point.

Basically the question is, if you're naturally tight playing vs someone aggressive - and he still makes raises even though he knows you've got something....

No need to be rude by the way.

[statusXquo]

Originally Posted by RobbieLePop

Maybe you're over-analysing my point.

Basically the question is, if you're naturally tight playing vs someone aggressive - and he still makes raises even though he knows you've got something....

No need to be rude by the way.

id probably be pretty sure hes bluffing but when it comes down to the situation id start to second guess myself... i guess in the end it come down too your gut disision, if hes been doing it all game it might help your disision..(for the better)

[Dada_Dali]

Originally Posted by RobbieLePop

Maybe you're over-analysing my point.

Basically the question is, if you're naturally tight playing vs someone aggressive - and he still makes raises even though he knows you've got something....

No need to be rude by the way.

First, I was not intending to be rude. I apologize to everyone, if I appeared so. I was truly asking if I missed something in your original post.

Second, although I am far from a poker expert (I don't even play one on TV), my observation was that you need to look at a bigger picture. How did you get to that point?

Again, I am sorry, if I was rude. Good luck at the tables.

[mikenike104]

i usually never go all in unless i have the nut hand or close to it

[CardKing]

usually keep folding, until i'm pretty sure i can win

[Justman]

Major point - not to get yourself in the situation.

Typical tight play - fold anything, but blinds, higher pairs and pics (A,K,Q,J) with somthing. And play 1 of 2 or 1 of 3 of those (not blinds) hands. If it's not a YourUnluckyDay - than sooner or later haigher pair will come - and you'll get your stack.

That type of play will get you minimum of situations you described

[Dada_Dali]

Originally Posted by Justman

Major point - not to get yourself in the situation.

<... snip ...>

That is the point I was trying to make. Thank for for articulating what I seemed to be unable to do.

[justintyme]

A few ways to attack this with a combination of all of them. The problem with those players usually works itself out because the betting on crap cards catches up almost always. Stick to your game plan of safe betting only winning hands and you'll usually come out ahead because you'll be in a hand with them betting on your pockets aces and winning with them like you should and he's betting on his 7 2 off suit hand.

[Mac46]

If I'm playing tight and there is an aggressive player on the table I have to be in the position to play a hand which if hits I am prepared to go all the way with. If you have position over this person then you have an advantage but in general with this hand put in a big raise before the flop and go with the odds. If you hit yr ace as in this case then put in a pot sized raised after the flop if he rasies I would personally go all in and call his bluff. If you lose then so be it but mostly I think you win in this case. If they are a good player they will get out rather than risk thier chips.

Once this happens once (and of course if you are still there) they will show more respect.

As in all things timing is everything. In some cases they will floop the nuts or have a large PP but you need an approach and I find this works for me (mostly)

Cheers

Mac