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ch3ckraise24 · #1 01-10-2009

This hand seems to have a terrible reputation, getting beat by mere pairs and such. How can i play them without getting myself into a ton of trouble?

Pocket_Ducks · #2 01-10-2009

don't over value them. At the end of the day, if you don't hit your 3 of a kind, or some lucky str8, it is just a pair.

It can be necessary to raise big pre-flop. With a hand like pocket J's, you don't want to be up against too many hands going into the flop, as surely SOME1 may hit a bigger pair. Get rid of the nonesense hands. if any1 calls, be weary of the overcard possibilities. Should a flop like A,Q,6 come up, u oughtta find out primarily what they have. Do this via putting a small bet in. If they raise, you may have to fold. If they call, well they could have a flush draw or something- but be careful, they may have a Q and think that you could have an ace. If 3 lower cards come out, you oughtta assume that they called you pre-flop with 2 big (ish) cards in their hand. In this case, stick ya chips in and watch 'em run

In any hand, if ur not sure where you stand with sum1, you really oughtta bet (not too big) to find out whetha they've hit anything or not.

Of course, the alternative is always to slow play them. check and call, or small bet all the way...but where's the fun in tht? lol

kwak

ilovekerry · #3 01-10-2009

i prefer to not take a chance with them and stick them all in itsa coin toss but its beter than leting the lesser hands in cheap...if ur all in its likely that all will fold apart from the odd one who u know will have decent cards but id rather loose to good cards than crap

ch3ckraise24 · #4 01-10-2009

ok thanks again guys, ill keep this advice in mind.

stepoff · #5 01-10-2009

I Did Say In A Later Thread My Favorite Was A Jj Pocket,,

A Rule To Only My Self, If One More Does Not Come Up On The Flop ... I Will Play Card To Card..meaning, If Anything Higher Comes Up On It, Be Carefull... You Can Have A Jj And Only A Queen Shows, ..... You Will Loose...

ch3ckraise24 · #6 01-10-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEPOFF

I Did Say In A Later Thread My Favorite Was A Jj Pocket,,

A Rule To Only My Self, If One More Does Not Come Up On The Flop ... I Will Play Card To Card..meaning, If Anything Higher Comes Up On It, Be Carefull... You Can Have A Jj And Only A Queen Shows, ..... You Will Loose...

what do you mean by A Jj? is that the flop?

JoeDaWeirdo66 · #7 01-10-2009

Well fishhooks should be folded if an ace a queen or a king is up period. unless its you and another person, maybe 2 people. ive beat jacks with 8 5 before (BINGO!)
soo jacks dont do to good.

OP66fozzy · #8 01-10-2009

Don't set me off on pocket Jacks. They look so nice, but almost always bite me on the bum.

If I slow play them, one of multiple callers will hit something better on the flop, if I bet heavy someone with an overcard will hit a pair on the flop.

Seems whatever I do, it ends in tears.

The only time JJ is any good for me is when I am shortstacked in a tourney. Then its an all-in, and as Shaun says 'coin toss', but if I'm shortstacked, I'll live with that.

T_B_H · #9 01-10-2009

pre-flop play the same as AA or any other premium hand (AK suited or not) KK,AQ(suited) QQ, AJ (suited) even A 10(suited) 10 10 or 99..

also depends on a ring or mini/big tourney, stack,position.. but try to play against just 1 caller..

play it that way, 6then your opponent doesn't know if your holding AA or not, sometimes you have to fold after the flop, but if i'm 1st to play on a reasonable flop then i'm in BIG

__coy__ · #10 01-10-2009

i think pocket j is pretty good

Zachly · #11 01-10-2009

Pocket jacks are probably the most deceiving hand in poker. Reasons stated but also, if no higher card comes up, it isn't unlikely that someone has pocket Q's, K's, or A's.

jayccin · #12 01-10-2009

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Originally Posted by fozzy

Don't set me off on pocket Jacks. They look so nice, but almost always bite me on the bum.

If I slow play them, one of multiple callers will hit something better on the flop, if I bet heavy someone with an overcard will hit a pair on the flop.

Seems whatever I do, it ends in tears.

The only time JJ is any good for me is when I am shortstacked in a tourney. Then its an all-in, and as Shaun says 'coin toss', but if I'm shortstacked, I'll live with that.

my favorite hand 2 one eyed jacks, i beat fozzy everytime with them.

DukeOfDeath · #13 07-23-2011

So I'm gonna bump this. I just played a decent mini-mammoth, but still no luck. JJ first and last hand.

First:
Everleaf Gaming Game #290080491
***** Hand history for game #290080491 *****
Blinds 5/10 NL Hold'em - 2011/07/23 - 17:02:43
Table 2
Seat 1

Total number of players: 6
Seat 1: DukeOfDeath ( 1500 Chips )
Seat 2: dav42 ( 1500 Chips )
Seat 3: aces2cash ( 1500 Chips )
Seat 4: saxtonblade ( 1490 Chips )
Seat 5: rh107 ( 1419 Chips )
Seat 6: SaratogaNY ( 1455 Chips )
dav42: posts

5 Chips]
aces2cash: posts

10 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DukeOfDeath

]
saxtonblade folds
rh107 call [ 10 Chips]
SaratogaNY folds
DukeOfDeath raise [ 40 Chips]
dav42 folds
aces2cash

30 Chips]
rh107

30 Chips]
** Dealing Flop **

]
aces2cash checks
rh107:

10 Chips]
DukeOfDeath

10 Chips]
aces2cash folds
** Dealing Turn **

]
rh107:

10 Chips]
DukeOfDeath

10 Chips]
** Dealing River **

]
rh107:

165 Chips]
DukeOfDeath folds
rh107 does not show cards
rh107 wins 165 chips from main pot

Last:
Everleaf Gaming Game #290091072
***** Hand history for game #290091072 *****
Blinds 200/400 NL Hold'em - 2011/07/23 - 17:41:02
Table 1
Seat 9

Total number of players: 6
Seat 3: rad6 ( 3925 Chips )
Seat 4: SaratogaNY ( 6574 Chips )
Seat 5: DukeOfDeath ( 2595 Chips )
Seat 6: dav42 ( 3144 Chips )
Seat 8: missy_cilia ( 1892 Chips )
Seat 9: warkey999 ( 2870 Chips )
rad6: posts ante [ 50 Chips]
SaratogaNY: posts ante [ 50 Chips]
DukeOfDeath: posts ante [ 50 Chips]
dav42: posts ante [ 50 Chips]
missy_cilia: posts ante [ 50 Chips]
warkey999: posts ante [ 50 Chips]
rad6: posts

200 Chips]
SaratogaNY: posts

400 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DukeOfDeath

]
missy_cilia: gg
thomas131313: n1
rad6: gg thomas
thomas131313: gl all
vblue: wp rad good gamble lol
rad6: ty
DukeOfDeath

1,000 Chips]
rad6: ty
dav42

1,000 Chips]
missy_cilia folds
warkey999 folds
rad6 folds
SaratogaNY folds
** Dealing Flop **

]
vblue: ok tc u lot have fun catch u later xxx
DukeOfDeath:

1,545 Chips]
dav42

1,545 Chips]
** Dealing Turn **

]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
DukeOfDeath shows

] a pair of jacks
dav42 shows

] two pairs, aces and eights
dav42 wins 5990 chips from main pot with two pairs, aces and eights

]

Obviously the strategy you always hear is "Don't get too attached". Obviously I didn't on the first hand even though I got a good feeling he was just repping that A (he did the same thing a couple times later in the game). But obviously less than 10 BB first to act I had no choice but to play them. Could I have done much differently? I know 10BB is technically shove or fold range, but it's different when a majority of players are equally short stacked. That move UTG never gets me more than the blinds, which I immediately have to put back in the pot. Also I was hoping the raise would win me the pot little risk or get someone to try to isolate or bully me. The flat call from Dav42 was the second to last thing I wanted (the last thing was an A on the flop). He had been playing loose all day (but also getting lucky a lot) and in general playing quite well. Flat calling seemed that he had a hand but one he wanted to see the flop on and not necessarily commit (so suited, connected, couple high cards). Should I have check folded the flop? I mean I'm pot committed for one. On top of that if he doesn't have an A, he knows he can never win in that spot. If he does I'm not playing a lower A than AJ most likely, which has him crushed (unless he randomly also has that 8). Also he could easily just be calling with smaller pairs or even worse suited connectors that missed entirely. I feel like I forced a fold more often that not that I had to bet. Because if I checked he could put me all in with 9s, 10s, a couple diamonds and it would be the same result just without me having the fold equity.

I mean I probably should just chalk it up to bad luck. Js were the best starting hand I had all day and literally had them first and last hand with no luck. Whereas dav had AA and a couple different KK in a 10 minute span. He played well and went on to win (

). So I could chalk it up to bad luck, but I would hate to miss an opportunity to improve my game. Any advice?

OP66fozzy · #14 07-23-2011

Duke, passive play on the flop and turn in the first hand didn't give you any information. The minimum bet feels like a lame effort at pot control and I really think you should have been making a raise.

For me, of all the hands I have seen you put up in the forum, that is probably the worst played.

The second hand, OK, with AA or KK, I might consider a bet to try and get extra chips in the pot, but with anything else when less than 10BB, I'm all in or fold. At least then you don't have to ask the question about what to do on the flop.

DukeOfDeath · #15 07-23-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by OP66fozzy

Duke, passive play on the flop and turn in the first hand didn't give you any information. The minimum bet feels like a lame effort at pot control and I really think you should have been making a raise.

For me, of all the hands I have seen you put up in the forum, that is probably the worst played.

The second hand, OK, with AA or KK, I might consider a bet to try and get extra chips in the pot, but with anything else when less than 10BB, I'm all in or fold. At least then you don't have to ask the question about what to do on the flop.

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah I'm not by any means trying to say that first hand was played optimally. It was literally the first and against an opponent I knew nothing about. I was mainly looking for a showdown to see what kind of hand he would limp call preflop and min bet the next two streets. But information wasn't worth a full pot bet to me. (I got that information later watching him play someone else).

As to the second hand, though I hate sitting and waiting for hands and shoving just to get the blinds, I suppose that's poker. However, I disagree that I should shove everything BUT AA KK. I feel there's never a point I should play one hand differently from another when it comes to first action. If I made that consistent then people would call my shoves and fold to my small bets, and I'd always be losing.

But I get your basic point which I DO agree with. If I'm pot committed anyway, I should just shove even if that does mean only winning a small pot. Otherwise I'm forced to play a flop like this.

CherryPie · #16 07-24-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachly

Pocket jacks are probably the most deceiving hand in poker. Reasons stated but also, if no higher card comes up, it isn't unlikely that someone has pocket Q's, K's, or A's.

or all 3??!!!