QQ vs KA

[CaptainSandy]

QQ or KA

Which do you prefer preflop?
Anyone know which has the better odds of winning ?

I seem to remember that AK has around a 50% chance of hitting, but there are other things to consider, the queen could hit, is the KA suited.

If KA is the better hand then it would equate that 7,8 is also better than 3,3.
And if QQ is better then it is the same odds as 2,2 beating KA.

Personally I am more likely to call an all in bet with QQ but have no idea which has the better odds.

[frankinstein]

cant say for sure sandy,but id say its a coin toss. unless the ak is suited,then id give that hand the best chance. dont know the math though.

[stepoff]

it is a coin toss frank. it seems that if i have pocket 2's or 3's one comes out on the flop verses queens on the flop. go figure? lol

[cuddycat]

theres a calculator on here somewhere but found this

Pair preflop 6 1 in 17 - 16:1
Suited cards preflop 24 1 in 4.2 - 3.2:1
Suited Connectors (2/3, KQ, ...) 4 1 in 25 - 24:1
AA or KK preflop .9 1 in 111 - 110:1
AK preflop 1.2 1 in 83 - 82:1
AKs preflop .3 1 in 332 - 331:1
A in hand preflop 16 1 in 6.25 - 5.25:1
AA, KK, QQ, JJ 1.8 1 in 56 - 55:1
Flop being all one kind (JJJ or QQQ) .24 1 in 425 - 424:1
AA versus KK preflop (heads up) .004 1 in 22560 - 22559:1
AK dealt preflop and hitting an A or K by the river 50 1 in 2 - even
QQ versus AK heads up till river 56 1 in 1.78 - 14:11 favorite
Two cards preflop that are Js or higher 9 1 in 11 - 10:1
Beer Hand (72off) preflop (or any other nonsuited two card combo) .9 1 in 110 - 109:1

[Ausangel]

QQ is third best starting hand, compared to AK suited being the 4th best and AK unsuited ranks #10

[SternSwiss]

Which do you prefer preflop?

Neither or both. They are good startings and very interesting to play but as in everything in poker, it will depend on concrete context.

I have had some massive wins and big beats with both.


Anyone know which has the better odds of winning ?

Preflop, and agaisnt each other QQ is stronger than AK approx 55-45 (depends on suits intefering or not, etc.).

Now another point to consider is the number of oppoponents.

AK looses odds of winning quicklier than QQ if more than one opponent.

Take any situation where you hold either, and have different number of opponents, chances of winning if all are played until river, independantly of your opponents holdings are (so this is statistics that doesn't take into account bettting patterns, imnagine an all-in bingo game):


QQ vs. AK(unsuited)

1 Opp. -> 79.9% vs. 65.4%

2 Opps. -> 64.9% vs. 48.2%

3 Opps. -> 53.5% vs. 38,6%

4 Opps. -> 44.7% vs. 32.4%


The turning point for Queens is 4 opponents (passes below 50% chances of winning, while for the AK it is 2 opponents).

It does have an incidence on late game all-ins call and worth keeping in mind (or calls on a table with multiple "bingo players").

Earlier, it stresses again the use of reducing your fields of opponents and the dangers of slow playing good starting hands,



If KA is the better hand then it would equate that 7,8 is also better than 3,3?

Since AK is not the best hand the question is reversed and the answer is that 7,8 has approx the same chances to win against 33 than QQ against AK.

Note that 33 against AK is also a slight favorite preflop. Even a bit better than against 7,8 for the two 3's do cut low straight possibilities for the Ace, while no 3 is necessary if you hold 7,8 to make a straight (lowest str8: 4 to 8)


And if QQ is better then it is the same odds as 2,2 beating KA?

Approx the same, but here QQ vs AK is a bit stronger than in the 3,3 vs AK (compared to vs. 7,8) scenario for it also limits str8 possibilities for AK and can get one itself with the cards that are directly bettering AK.

[CaptainSandy]

Wow, Stern, that's an excellent read; I almost gave you a name check in my original post hoping you would have the answer.
Thank you all.

[roo27]

on a pesonal note with out the odd's i much pefer QQ in facked i pefer most PP compaired to AK AQ AJ ext as i find them much ezyer to play as long as your willing to fold them after the flop when over cards come and the pot gets bet (apart from 10's as i never seem to win with them i gess 10's are my anty 69 lol)

[HopeImLucky]

Here's a good example of QQ vs AK


Everleaf Gaming Game #144970988
***** Hand history for game #144970988 *****
Blinds 25/50 NL Hold'em - 2010/02/13 - 23:20:36
Table 1
Seat 1
Total number of players: 3
Seat 1: pappy747 ( 489 Chips )
Seat 3: JackSpades ( 2229 Chips )
Seat 5: HopeImLucky ( 3282 Chips )
JackSpades: posts 25 Chips]
HopeImLucky: posts 50 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HopeImLucky ]
HopeImLucky: n1
JackSpades: ty
pappy747 100 Chips]
pappy747: nh
JackSpades 75 Chips]
HopeImLucky 100 Chips]
pappy747 389 Chips]
JackSpades folds
HopeImLucky 339 Chips]
** Dealing Flop ** ]
** Dealing Turn ** ]
** Dealing River ** ]
pappy747 wins 1078 chips from main pot with a full house, twos full of queens ]


I thought my AK was a pretty good starting hand, especially since it was suited. Then when the board was dealt I had a full house. I really didn't expect to lose lol

Nice one pappy

[BAZULTRA]

Both QQ and AK are huge starting hands and their is not much between them. I personally prefer QQ as a starting hand but the only problem is when you are in a cash game and you end up being 4 bet or it ends up allin pre. All of a sudden it becomes an awful spot for a hand such as QQ. You could easily be up against KK or AA and the best scenario you could hope for is that you are up against AK and even then its a bit of a race. So now the QQ doesnt look so good and I would personally insta fold here, lose minimal and wait for a better spot. Of course if hes a short stacker im allin:P

Baz

[pappy747]

Originally Posted by HopeImLucky

Here's a good example of QQ vs AK


Everleaf Gaming Game #144970988
***** Hand history for game #144970988 *****
Blinds 25/50 NL Hold'em - 2010/02/13 - 23:20:36
Table 1
Seat 1
Total number of players: 3
Seat 1: pappy747 ( 489 Chips )
Seat 3: JackSpades ( 2229 Chips )
Seat 5: HopeImLucky ( 3282 Chips )
JackSpades: posts 25 Chips]
HopeImLucky: posts 50 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HopeImLucky ]
HopeImLucky: n1
JackSpades: ty
pappy747 100 Chips]
pappy747: nh
JackSpades 75 Chips]
HopeImLucky 100 Chips]
pappy747 389 Chips]
JackSpades folds
HopeImLucky 339 Chips]
** Dealing Flop ** ]
** Dealing Turn ** ]
** Dealing River ** ]
pappy747 wins 1078 chips from main pot with a full house, twos full of queens ]


I thought my AK was a pretty good starting hand, especially since it was suited. Then when the board was dealt I had a full house. I really didn't expect to lose lol

Nice one pappy

THX HOPE

[feudallady]

Stern! As usual. Amazing analysis in crisp, concise and simple words. I am your greatest fan! xoxoxo

[reaper1569]

i hate ak never winn on it so it would hav 2 b qq