The Sitch

[DukeOfDeath]

Here's an idea: I was thinking once a week posting some marginal situations and getting a concensus towards "our favorite course of action". I'll give 24 hours for everyone who wants to to respond and then give the next street of action. If you miss out on how to play preflop, that's tough. You can always jump in the discussion on the flop or even the turn if you want. Does this sound fun to anyone? If not I don't want to waste my time. But even if only one person "plays" I'll definitely do it. And I can always let anyone else have a shot at moderating if they have a fun situation. I'll start the preflop as soon as I get a thumbs up or two.

[teebs]

Sounds great Duke. I'm in.

[OP66fozzy]

Errr, a strategy thread about poker, nah, not my cup of tea.



Of course I'm in !!!!

[T_B_H]

count me in

[daddyspoon]

i'll play a long, unless it involves JJ

[CaptainSandy]

I'm happy to say what I would do.

[DukeOfDeath]

alright...

your cards:
your position: BB
your opponents: 5 opponents (6-max)
the stacks: everyone has 100bb
the action: UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, BTN calls, SB calls
skill level: unknown but assuming weak. You've seen most of the callers limp about every hand they play (and that's about half of what they're dealt) and they rarely raise.

What do you do?

I'm assuming there should be a pretty clear concesus, but I'll leave it open just in case. If no one disagrees, we may fit an extra street in.

[T_B_H]

so have i read this right ?? BB and free call. on a passive table i would raise and show( if was cash)

on free tables i'd prob check because i know i would be called

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by T_B_H

so have i read this right ?? BB and free call. on a passive table i would raise and show( if was cash)

on free tables i'd prob check because i know i would be called

for the sake of this were at a table where players are good enough to know what cards are good or not but still weak. I mean even at dailies a majority of our beloved players will call a BB raise.

So assuming you will get called by at LEAST one player if you raise....

[daddyspoon]

check it, no point throwing more money in if i think i will get a call.

or the complete opposite and in the spirit of op66 all in that bad boy and close my eyes

[teebs]

Probably would be tempted to make like a 5x raise (if its at a latter stage of the tournament where blinds are worth stealing), but would come to my senses and just see a flop.

[T_B_H]

if i know the player would bet any hand( missesd flop or not)

me ist to act i;d prob check raise, if i was re-reaised then i know i beaten an he/she gonna call any bet

if i felt the played would only call a bet from me if had something then i'd bet the flop to see where i was, if they folded ( i raised represented a hand all beit out of positon) i'd take the pot, if was called i;d be very wary and cut my losses and fold if the poing occured

no point betting 3 streets and loosing big

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by T_B_H

if i know the player would bet any hand( missesd flop or not)

me ist to act i;d prob check raise, if i was re-reaised then i know i beaten an he/she gonna call any bet

if i felt the played would only call a bet from me if had something then i'd bet the flop to see where i was, if they folded ( i raised represented a hand all beit out of positon) i'd take the pot, if was called i;d be very wary and cut my losses and fold if the poing occured

no point betting 3 streets and loosing big

i see what you're saying... but if you can make this move, why not save it for a better hand? And if you do it with just any hand, I think many players can start exploiting.

[T_B_H]

u have to show a bluff, makes the table think ur a donk and you will reap the rewards later when you have the hand

[teebs]

Or you can build up a tight looking image and then take advantage of it allowing yourself to make more believable moves...

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by T_B_H

u have to show a bluff, makes the table think ur a donk and you will reap the rewards later when you have the hand

yeah, but that's more of a "long game" type move. Just looking at hands and what the best Expected Value for these. Yes you can do several things, but let's for the sake of standard (and most would say smart) play let's check.

Pot size: 4 BB
Flop:

You're first to act being in the BB. This one doesn't have just one +EV answer, so give your pick and why. Hopefully we can have some good input during the next 24 hours, I'll pick what seems to be the most commonly chosen move be it check or bet (and how much). Then we can move to the TURN... exciting?

[teebs]

I'd lead out and bet just over half the pot. Only problem is if I'm raised I dont quite now what im up against...could be crushed or just against a drawing hand.
Second thought....check call :P

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by teebs

Or you can build up a tight looking image and then take advantage of it allowing yourself to make more believable moves...

Yeah I think you can make loose moves and get your hands paid off later or be tight and make steals later. There are advantages to each. I think the show 72o bluff is best for a kind of tight table. No sense "out-tighting" tight. If they are loose on the other hand, you don't really need to show a bluff to get more action. Might as well teach them to respect you.

[T_B_H]

90% of time i woild chech that flop (hoping to chech raise) however not holding the nuts someone could be playing A7 etc

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by teebs

I'd lead out and bet just over half the pot. Only problem is if I'm raised I dont quite now what im up against...could be crushed or just against a drawing hand.
Second thought....check call :P

valid decision. any particular reasons?

Originally Posted by T_B_H

90% of time i woild chech that flop (hoping to chech raise) however not holding the nuts someone could be playing A7 etc

I like this move a lot too. And I kind of intentionally picked a beautiful looking hand that still ISN'T quite the nuts. We should realize that we aren't a definite, but we should far from assume our opponent would have something like A7. It's in the range, but at this point it's only a small part of it.

Here are two good options. Looks like we need a tiebreaker.