The Sitch

[OP66fozzy]

OK, don't post for a few minutes, I'll put a new hand up

[OP66fozzy]

We are CCC

Seat 3
Total number of players: 4
Seat 3: AAA ( 920 Chips )
Seat 5: BBB ( 1610 Chips )
Seat 6: CCC ( 810 Chips )
Seat 7: DDD ( 3660 Chips )
BBB: posts 30 Chips]
CCC: posts 60 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CCC ]
DDD 60 Chips]
AAA folds
BBB [ 30 Chips]

Our move.....

[daddyspoon]

is it a ring, s&g or tourny?

[OP66fozzy]

Sorry, it's a tourney, Outlaws.

[daddyspoon]

id probably fold

[OP66fozzy]

Originally Posted by daddyspoon

id probably fold

Sorry DS, I got the SB and BB mixed up. I've edited the original post, check it again and comment.

[daddyspoon]

check, one in ten times id try to reraise them off. but going for check here

[DukeOfDeath]

I think this is a great spot for an occasional raise. It's a hand that can flop well and disguises self. And you can get away from it if it doesn't pretty easily (plus I like to punish limpers ). But outlaws is pretty call heavy until the blinds are too high and you have a shorter stack so....:

With no specifics on opponents or what's happened so far: Check!

[Bonik]

We'r short stack... CHECK!!!

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by Bonik

We'r short stack... CHECK!!!

Trying to out do me with more exclamation points?!?!?

[OP66fozzy]

OK, so we have checked...

** Dealing Flop ** ]

BBB checks

[Bonik]

Originally Posted by DukeOfDeath

Trying to out do me with more exclamation points?!?!?

lol


As for our actions after flop... Knowing it's Outlaws I just all in. As they call anyways.

If it was any other game. My action would be check, opponent bets, I reraise all in.

[daddyspoon]

all in. will look like a steal and should be ahead if called. too many variables to try and get the pot up

[DukeOfDeath]

Are we confusing Outlaws and Ultra Outlaws? I've found Outlaws to be quite similar to a daily. If anything, the daily is more likely to have a random bingoer.

I really don't know how often people all-in bluff here. I mean how often do you do this same move with 83 off? All in looks exactly what it is: A hand that's good, but might not stay that way. The only people that are calling is a fish or a regular with a better hand. Unless you have proven yourself to be a bluffy sort of player. There are some players I would call this move with any Ace, but the majority I would not. For instance I'm player DDDD and Fozzy is CCC, I'm folding to an all-in unless I have aces with a good kicker, a better two pair, a set, or a straight flush or combo draw. All but a couple of these hands are ahead.

When we're in this 13 BB area, we can't afford to see a lot of flops. We should take advantage of the times we do have good hands. Bet regular on the flop. People love calling with aces. Let them think their A9o is good. A shove will make it too risky you have AT-AK in addition to the random hands (like the one you have).

I say bet 120- 2BB - 2/3 pot. It'll suck if an A or club comes on the turn, but hey that just happens and it's not all that likely. And a normal bet gives them room to raise us. If we're all in we take any bluffing out of the picture because they can only call.

[OP66fozzy]

It was not Ultra Outlaws, but the regular game.

However, as there are 2 for all-in, only 1 for a bet I will go with the majority ( the hand isn't that interesting anyway ).

I'm going to post it as it was played out, ended up all-in, just with a bet, raise call...

CCC: 120 Chips]
DDD 120 Chips]
BBB 1,550 Chips]
CCC 630 Chips]
DDD folds
** Dealing Turn ** ]
** Dealing River ** ]
BBB shows ] a full house, sevens full of fours
CCC shows ] two pairs, sevens and fives
BBB wins 1800 chips from main pot with a full house, sevens full of fours ]


Could I have got away from that after the check raise ?? Maybe with a bigger stack, but I felt committed and was expecting him to show A10 or AJ or maybe even a worse kicker.

[DukeOfDeath]

Yeah when you have 13 BB at the start of a hand, get a free flop, and flop 2 pair, you have to sigh nh gg. Sucks, but that's that. Like shoving KK in SB and BB calling with AA. Or any suckout or cooler.

Although there's flexibility in check raise, bet, or shove, the point remains that, unless a free card scary turn comes and some nit lays into you, you are getting your money in here if at all possible.

N1. Should I pull up one or would Bonik like a try?

[DukeOfDeath]

I'll do one just to keep it going, but feel free to go first and we can do mine later. I put a hand from the night before casino night up. For the ones I had a good read on I put fake names in (and our fake name too). Those are the bolded ones. Consider the rest no real reads. Our image has been pretty tight for what it's worth. And this super fish was stacking off with AQo on the turn with K986 boards 3 diamonds and no diamonds in hand, 4 betting 66 pre flop, bluffing hopeless rivers, etc.

All in all very loose table, 50% were loose passive, 50% were Loose Aggressive.

Everleaf Gaming Game #348767320
***** Hand history for game #348767320 *****
Blinds €0.05/€0.10 NL Hold'em - 2012/01/21 - 07:10:49
Table Rome
Seat 9
Total number of players: 10
Seat 1: BB ( € 14.63 EURO )
Seat 2: PukeOfBreath ( € 9 EURO )
Seat 3: Super Fish ( € 9.74 EURO )
Seat 4: j******** ( € 1.31 EURO )
Seat 5: B******** ( € 11.92 EURO )
Seat 6: p******** ( € 12.38 EURO )
Seat 7: L****** ( € 2 EURO )
Seat 8: Lucy Goosey ( € 8.17 EURO )
Seat 9: 2******** ( € 4.31 EURO )
Seat 10: Average TAG ( € 22.74 EURO )
Average TAG: posts € 0.05 EURO]
BB: posts € 0.10 EURO]
L*******: posts € 0.10 EURO]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PukeOfBreath ]

PukeOfBreath ???
to make it clear... we're UTG

[OP66fozzy]

Originally Posted by DukeOfDeath

I'll do one just to keep it going, but feel free to go first and we can do mine later. I put a hand from the night before casino night up. For the ones I had a good read on I put fake names in (and our fake name too). Those are the bolded ones. Consider the rest no real reads. Our image has been pretty tight for what it's worth. And this super fish was stacking off with AQo on the turn with K986 boards 3 diamonds and no diamonds in hand, 4 betting 66 pre flop, bluffing hopeless rivers, etc.

All in all very loose table, 50% were loose passive, 50% were Loose Aggressive.

Everleaf Gaming Game #348767320
***** Hand history for game #348767320 *****
Blinds €0.05/€0.10 NL Hold'em - 2012/01/21 - 07:10:49
Table Rome
Seat 9
Total number of players: 10
Seat 1: t******** ( € 14.63 EURO )
Seat 2: PukeOfBreath ( € 9 EURO )
Seat 3: Super Fish ( € 9.74 EURO )
Seat 4: j******** ( € 1.31 EURO )
Seat 5: BADWOLFWHO ( € 11.92 EURO )
Seat 6: p******** ( € 12.38 EURO )
Seat 7: L****** ( € 2 EURO )
Seat 8: Lucy Goosey ( € 8.17 EURO )
Seat 9: 2******** ( € 4.31 EURO )
Seat 10: Average TAG ( € 22.74 EURO )
cubswin623: posts € 0.05 EURO]
tortelini: posts € 0.10 EURO]
LIUXING: posts € 0.10 EURO]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PukeOfBreath ]

PukeOfBreath ???

Sorry Duke, you need to edit the blind posters, I can't follow that as it stands.

[DukeOfDeath]

I edited it (very hurredly though). See if that makes sense.

[Bonik]

I raise 3 BBs.