it is a joke

[rad6]

well u all know my views on this by now and i agree it's just not the new players, give some players a chip advantage and they raise 1200 every hand even though they have nothing, we should have a name and shame board but doubt that would do much good.

[stevo_58]

OK I'm naming Telboy!!!......... Only joking mate.

Nice thread Tel and some very good points. Unfortunately I can't see it changing.

[SternSwiss]

Friends


If you observe real poker, regular raises, often steep, can be a good strategy depending on many, many factors. Ask Negreanu. Or Gus. Or at least, observe and read them and others.

Also there ARE good streaks.






I have been here and there accused of playing bingo, bullying (as a tease is not the same than as a "judgment") or other such things and each time such accusations were raised I wished I could have sit at a trial and made my case. Totally convinced my play then was absolutely legit and with ample arguments to prove it.





The shame-board is a totally wrong and dangerous idea.


Unless it is a real forum for discussion, where the accusators might end-up turned into ridicule themselves.



Now I agree sometimes play is terrible (as you might have read lately unfolded in the strategy corner, I have a special problem with mutiple loose callers, because they make any game based on strategy impossible and invalidate the "patience pays" wisdom).




I am just no always sure on the grounds and understandigns for complaints and sometimes, for sure, I think such remarks are much more stupid than the moves or play described and bitched about (not aiming at you tel m8 at all)




.... and sometimes not at all.

I am all in favour of discussing what we differenlty regard as good / bad plays and where we find them, but I do not give any credit to simple clichés that are not backed-up with poker reasoning- And I read those often. Or people feeling frustrated because they cannot limp preflop one hand out of three with Q8s, or because they can not play their usual fishing draws.

This is a general statement, not aimed at aynone who posted here. I simply thought it would be a proper place to unfold feelings I have had for long.



In the case you mention, tel, I wonder how one single player might have ruined things. He must have been really, really lucky with hitting.

Happened only once to me witnessing that here. In the oldest sciprt, but we made a joke out of it it was utterly amazing and we even posted about it then It was good-spirited then, coz the guy was announcing his holdings each hand when he went-all-in. He never lied and you could decide to call or not.


Finally, when I play st00pid here, on purpose (that is knowing and choosing to do so), I almost never make big raises, but unworthy, dangerous and odd deprived calls for me. Usually on all-ins ar very steep raises. Not to blur a good possible hand otherwise for others. If I hit, than I half sit-out, work and play minimal good holdings until game eventually changes, if I don't hit I am done, glad about it and back to work.

I do have ethics in my randomness, which usually comes from... finding the play in a specific tournament unowrthy of loosing more time / attention, so in the end agreeing with most here.

[DarthYoda]

hello all
couple of things id like to say
1) people are going to go all in no matter what . the problem is freaky river hits you can have two pair on the flop make a big raise and u will get called with people with 3 card straights 3 card flushes and bottom pairs .there is a mentality that if you have a 10% chance of hitting take it.
2) there are some very aggressive players on this site (yes i know im one of them) but aggression ,bluffing and timing are part of the game
sometimes it works sometimes you get burned
3) i was a victim in the hetmans game but i see it as part of the game
the person in question was freaky lucky but luck can only take you so far
skill ,reading players and right play at the right time will win out more often .
i didnt like it either Tel but in any tournament anywhere its going to happen unfortunately its part of the game

[telboy]

Originally Posted by telboy

its not just the bingo i can deal with that early in tournys,this happened after break with a player big raising every hand with nothing and when called was hitting ,good play or bad play it ruined a good tourny,nothing wrong with aggressive play either i like that but every hand then laughing thinking they had done well,like i said i enjoy my poker and sitting at a table with play like this is a joke and not fair on those that try to play a game lasting more than two hours

i hope this my second post on this thread clears some of the questions raised here,after the break in any tourny a all in bet deserves respect and any big raise aswell,this was bad play in my opinion because players wanted to play there good hands and was beaten by low cards that hit yes that happens but there was no reading play because it was just to risky and to be laughed at when beaten is not my idea of respect on the tables,like i said not a moan or groan but just hope this was a one off good luck to all,and im glad this thread has been able to address this problem (my opinion)in a sensible way

[SternSwiss]

Originally Posted by telboy

i hope this my second post on this thread clears some of the questions raised here,after the break in any tourny a all in bet deserves respect and any big raise aswell,this was bad play in my opinion because players wanted to play there good hands and was beaten by low cards that hit yes that happens but there was no reading play because it was just to risky and to be laughed at when beaten is not my idea of respect on the tables,like i said not a moan or groan but just hope this was a one off good luck to all,and im glad this thread has been able to address this problem (my opinion)in a sensible way

Of course it does, tel!

As far as I am concerned, there wasn't even an ambiguity in the first place, m8.

[stjimmy]

the standard i have come across lately has been quite good tbh, altough alot of players rate A rag/K rag off suite very highly, but i used to too (schoolboy error).
there is only 1 terrible player i see regularly, and have played with him 12 or so times. his name starts with an i, those of you who have come across him know exactly who im talkin about.
he truley, truley stinks and often drives me to screaming at my screen

[jockney]

Originally Posted by stjimmy

the standard i have come across lately has been quite good tbh, altough alot of players rate A rag/K rag off suite very highly, but i used to too (schoolboy error).
there is only 1 terrible player i see regularly, and have played with him 12 or so times. his name starts with an i, those of you who have come across him know exactly who im talkin about.
he truley, truley stinks and often drives me to screaming at my screen

Think I know who you mean Jimmy and I would not be singing his praises either .. if you get my drift

[stjimmy]

Originally Posted by jockney

Think I know who you mean Jimmy and I would not be singing his praises either .. if you get my drift

yep, you know who i mean out of all the players i have come across here, he would most definatly top the hall of shame. i was also suprised to see he won a gold medal

[stjimmy]

just played hetmans, and i have to say the standard was pretty poor. one player just didnt fold preflop, unless raised big, and was winning with hands like 83, and being told nh, she was blinded out in the end, she had to see every flop lol, players going all in with A4 off, i raised 4 times the blinds with AK, and was being beaten with Q5, and some of theese players are very well respected members. i got fed up just after the break and called bets with my pockets 4's even though there were 4 overcards on the board, i just found it a very unenjoyable game of "poker"...

[SternSwiss]

Originally Posted by stjimmy

(...)i got fed up just after the break and called bets with my pockets 4's even though there were 4 overcards on the board, i just found it a very unenjoyable game of "poker"...

Lol, jimmy. Exactly the kind of things I do too in comparable cirumcstances. Except: I usually don't wait for the break lolol

[davec2056]

We've found are first Asbo St Jimmy for calling with pocket 4s.
Tel maybe u can present him with his prize.
But we should'nt confuse one bad play with deliberately going allin which spoils the game for others, bluffing is part of poker and some times when we get called we can look silly.I know i have, its the people who don't care if they win or lose that are the real problem.

[SternSwiss]

Originally Posted by davec2056

its the people who don't care if they win or lose that are the real problem.

As far as I am concerned, it's people who play randomly, indepedently of their intention, that are the real problem for they transform the game in a game of luck, hence one I do not care for.

[stjimmy]

i think one way to look at it is they are free chips, and some players find it boring folding 80% of the time. but since the ultra outlaws, some of this play is spilling on the main real money outlaws tourney, and hence the standard has dropped a little there. one player there yesturday went all-in pre flop about 10 times, he did have premium hands, but was getting no value with them, as noone ever called him...

[roo27]

Originally Posted by stjimmy

i think one way to look at it is they are free chips, and some players find it boring folding 80% of the time. but since the ultra outlaws, some of this play is spilling on the main real money outlaws tourney, and hence the standard has dropped a little there. one player there yesturday went all-in pre flop about 10 times, he did have premium hands, but was getting no value with them, as noone ever called him...

cant agrey more m8 dont get me roung i love the ultra tornys thay are gr8 fun but thay have realy afected the standed of play in the outlaw tornys so much so that i think less pepol play them now than befor the free entre tickets

[Grovewilks]

Originally Posted by stjimmy

just played hetmans, and i have to say the standard was pretty poor. one player just didnt fold preflop, unless raised big, and was winning with hands like 83, and being told nh, she was blinded out in the end, she had to see every flop lol, players going all in with A4 off, i raised 4 times the blinds with AK, and was being beaten with Q5, and some of theese players are very well respected members. i got fed up just after the break and called bets with my pockets 4's even though there were 4 overcards on the board, i just found it a very unenjoyable game of "poker"...

Interesting point made by Jimmy above. Players saying NH when someone has called with crap and hit. Like most players i may call with crap very early on in Hets (depending on position) but i will then fold to a raise. If i hit when i have called with 83 for example and someone says NH - i respond with Hmmm and a smilie. Dont encourage them by complimenting their freakish luck - only compliment on good play - i much prefer to see WP rather than NH.

It would help my Bro who played on the site for a short time and got frustrated coz everytime someone put NH when he won, he thought they were saying that they has Nine High lol.

BTW - i am writing this having just been knocked out of the ultra tournie second hand. First hand i folded 10 4 off suit and would have turned a FH and second hand i was big blind and called a minimum raise with 6 4 off suit. The board came K66A4 - i lost to Nolakays A6 - serves me right for calling a raise with 6 4 off i suppose lol - two hands two FHs and im out - some you win, some you lose

[daddyspoon]

just played tonights bc and i couldnt stand it, if i got cards i was being out lucked on the river. so i gave up and went on post and fold because thats all i was doing any way. then i get moved and someone in chat says youre on my table come play. i won one hand and sank on the river on the next. remaining chips i wait for somethin good. i get AA so i go all in think around 650, 3 other callers so i know im already out. but the best bit was the board the cards that came out means someone only need a 5 to win and of course i get beat by queen 5 off.

maybe its just not my day as on a 6 seater ring i lost with AA to 34 even tho i raised 8k preflop