Play and let play

[phattP]

7 card holdem poker, bingo, roulette and one armed bandits.
What's the difference?
The similarities are that they are all gambling games.To gamble meaning to place a bet on the future outcome of an event.
What sets poker apart is the fact that a player is given the ability to influence the outcome by forcing other players to fold their cards.
Sometimes a player will raise the stakes to try and give the impression that his hand is better than the other players.This is known in the game as bluffing. Bluffing is what gives certain players the edge.If every poker hand was just automatically all in then it ceases to be poker and joins the ranks of the other gambling pursuits.Then it would be down to pure luck as to who won.Hence, for that very good reason,that type of play is known in poker circles as 'bingo'.
When a player makes a big raise the onus is then on his opponent to 'call' that raise or to fold.This decision has to be based on whether the opponent feels that the raise is a bluff or whether he feels he can beat the other players hand regardless.The magic and intrigue of poker is in making those decisions.Sometimes a player will correctly call what he guesses to be a bluff.EVEN THEN he can lose if there are still cards to come down on the table.This can happen on the turn card or on the river card.
When that happens its no different to when a horse falls at the last fence in a hurdle race.Basically, in poker there is truth in the old saying that'it aint over till it's over'.
And if a player has the misfortune to lose on the river card they must remember that poker is a gambling game and no one can foresee what will happen.
What I am trying to say here is..even if a player wins with pocket aces on the showdown he's still been lucky.Lucky that his opponent didn't flop QQQ while holding KQ for example.
If he loses a hand for whatever reason,a good experienced player will accept it with good grace and get on with the game.This is known universally as respect for your fellow gamblers and shows an empathy with other players who have all had similar bad experiences.
Let's hope that this respect is cultivated here at op66 so that people can all enjoy what is given to us for free.Play and let play should be the rule here. LONG LIVE OP66.

[caposilvio]

Since this appears aimed at me,Phatt i told you your play was shockin'
because it was. It wasn't a lack of respect or a havin' a go at you.

Let's put this into perspective, the other un-named player flopped 2 pair.
You hand middle pair (6) and a high kicker. When the other player bets the pot and u move all in straight away then that is shockin' play.
You leave no room for you to escape your mediocore hand.

Being lucky on the river is part of the game (we all do it at some point).
This was all in on the flop, so it a silly play.

I call a spade a spade, that sir was all that happened.

What about posting and folding but staying around sayin' "oh i'd better
not play incase i win then" and doin the whole feckin teenage tantrum/drama queen act. Where does that fit into your philosophy?

If you make a donk move don't be shocked if some-one tell you so.
And if your that sensitive that you offence, then oops but no apology.
I dont care what others MAY find offensive, different strokes for different folks.

But if i did go to far with my obvious statement, you can always block
my or any other players chat.

[maddarcy]

definately case of reading into game ..playing poker by humans is entirely different u just cannot beat a cpu or a programe playing a machine is at your own risk its murphys law it will get u in the end ..

[phattP]

it appears that someone has a bee in their bonnet.(?)I don't recall aiming my post at anyone.guilty conscience perhaps?
While on the subject of shocking play..(or as I recall it"stupid play")..I was knocked out in the first hand recently by a well-known player.
I had K7 and the flop came 4K7.I raised 300 and the other player went all in instantly.Of course I called.The river card was a 4. It turned out that the other player was holding 4 9.I lost to the triple 4s.And guess what?
Everyone on the table was saying GH and WD.I said "gh GL all" and took my leave.
As I said on a different thread about opinions:- We are all also entitled to go to the toilet but it doesn't mean we have to do it on other peoples doorsteps.
My post is about having the good grace to accept a loss whatever form it comes in and nowhere have I mentioned yours or anyone else's name.
Incidentally..what makes you think you have the right to tell others how to play their hands when you weren't even involved in that particular one?
I left the torny after your insulting remark because I didn't want to sit at a poker table and be told how to play. Maybe you've never tried to bluff anyone into folding?I don't consider it any more or less shocking than someone calling the bet. It's just the nature of gambling games.Some you win and some you don't.If it gets too painful then take a break for a while..
Read my signature.

[caposilvio]

First of all i don't have a conscience, let alone a guilty one.
It was clearly a dig at me.
The comment was shocking play, then after your luck comment
i said there's a difference between luck and stupidity.
I'll pm you the hand history/chat if your in any doubt.

Also i never told you how to play at any point, i made sure i said
it wasnt an insult, it was a statement of observation.
Though i was called a dictator for my efforts, strange coming from someone
who doesn't think i have the right to comment on a hand played at a table
where i'm seated.
You were over-sensitive about it and went in a huff.
I've also been guilty of very stupid plays in the past, we've all done it, we live and learn.
Just i don't feel the need to take offence when somebody points out the obvious.


And no, i never bluff, many will vouch for that....(maybe not)

I have no problem with you phatt, your a good guy at the tables
and know how to play the game, whatever style you choose to play.
As i said it takes different strokes for different folks.

[phattP]

This threads gone way off track.I was hoping it might be a helpful nudge in the right direction for new players.I would just like to finish by saying yes capo I am sensitive.The only time it ever causes me a problem is when I come across someone with no conscience. Now that we both understand each other perhaps it would be a good time to bury the hatchet(?)You can rest assured that whatever way you decide to play poker in the future,I will never criticise it. It's definitely not something I would ever do.As I tried to say..'play and let play'..it's only a free computer game.I apologise if anything in my post hurt your feelings.Have fun.

[maddarcy]

well said panda ..

[CherryPie]

this thread tickled me ^^

[phattP]

Originally Posted by CherryPie

this thread tickled me ^^

well.. talking pandas don't come along every day lol

[phattP]

oops. forgot one other thing..I'm actually a lousy poker player capo but that's just between you and me and whoever else is bored enough to read this thread.Wait..come to think of it..that gives me an idea for a new thread.
b r b ..

[aceman666]

Having played in the tourneys with both of you at some stage may i take this opportunity to say to you both, it always been a pleasure to play against you.Lets me also say that if it was'nt for some donk play sometimes, the tournies would last forever, so whoever you are and however you play your game...just play and gl.

[phattP]

Thank you ace the feelings mutual..

[symbolon]

Here here Aceman,phatt play your game ( like me you're a gambler)it makes for interesting play and as gamblers we take the rough with the smooth.

It keeps the pedantic steady boring ( whoops did I say boring ) players on their toes and once in a while you do take a chance.

Someone told me that poker is not a betting game but an understanding of the odds that your card will flop/turn or river.

I favour the gambler over the player everytime - I like people who take chances in life !

So go for it!

xxsymxx

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fantasy just believe!