Would like your opinion

[Xtreem1]

I was just recently in a tournament and took second, got it all in twice with the best hand and lost both of them, but not my point.
The other person played a good game and I would have called both her hands if the shoe was on the other foot. – She had a few people “rooting” her on, which is fine, glad she had the support.
But, my question is this --- these people were also giving her advice on how to play against me, they talked about when she should call, how often they think I bluff, etc. – do you think that should be allowed, giving advice to people in the middle of hands etc. when they are the final two at the table? – I have always heard “one to a hand” when playing in the casino, does that apply here? Again, I truly hold no bad feeling about this person winning, and am partly glad she did, just wondering if you guys think that type dialog is fair during hands and in a tourney?

[chuckster66]

While I have no opinion on the issue of fairness(and maybe I should)I do consider it bad form on the part of the buttinskis.If you have played this person before X which I will assume you have,they should already know you play a little loose,and diversify your game as needed,If your saying these people where there to try to help her win only to beat the Infamous X,then your probably right.you really dont have a very big fan club.Or what the hell, I could be wrong.

[DeborahLee]

Think I would have to agree with chips.

ra ra ra....yay go girl....its all fine. But that stage in a tourney the players should be playing their own game. I wouldn't like it if it was happening to my opponent.

just my thoughts..........

[daddyspoon]

i wouldnt be happy trying to play against someone getting help.

[white_wizard]

im with u on this one xtreem,,m8,,if it happerened to me would do my nut

[stjimmy]

I know you don't see eye to eye with one or two members here xtreem mate, but this is damn right inexcusable. The culprit/s should have their chat blocked. Bang out of order.

[jimggoldwing]

If it is as you have described (always a concern where one side of a story is being presented), I would just echo what others have said --- particularly Jimmy in the response immediately above.

[scgirl]

In my opinion....which I really hate givin'...but here goes...even tho I don't see eye to eye with you X, if I had made it to the final two with you, me, myself would appreciate support....but I would feel if I had made it that far with ya, I could handle my own, and would not need someone tellin' me how to to play you or the game....and I would have let my supporter know that. JMO....that's all.
Oh boy...I'm probably gonna regret puttin my 2 cents in...but oh well....

[phattP]

I'm not sure if it's in the rules, but I've had it happen and it didn't bother me because I knew that no one but me could see my cards.
I guess it could be said that it's unfair in that it could put a player 'on tilt' if they took it personally. It could also help them because the people watching have no idea what they're talking about,( ie; they can't see the cards either )..so any 'advice' they might give is purely speculative. I think if it bothers anyone they should pm a mod and get a judgement, always the best move in my opinion.

[Xtreem1]

SC - and everyone - I can really appriciate the candor in which you say " I dont see eye to eye with you" but are still honest in telling the truth in what is best for poker. I also agree, if they made it that far I doubt they need anyones help. I'm really not trying to focus on any one individual here, just thought it would be a good thread and people might have an opinion. - just a poker player talking about poker things ;-)

[CaptainSandy]

I don't see it as too much of a problem; you're the only one who knows what's in your hand. If these 'supporters' were any good they'd still be playing and not barracking from the sidelines.

[tattmando]

i'm with u on this 1 X man. supporters are ok but advise on play against any opponent from "rail huggers" 100% unacceptable.

[DukeOfDeath]

Originally Posted by phattP

I'm not sure if it's in the rules, but I've had it happen and it didn't bother me because I knew that no one but me could see my cards.
I guess it could be said that it's unfair in that it could put a player 'on tilt' if they took it personally. It could also help them because the people watching have no idea what they're talking about,( ie; they can't see the cards either )..so any 'advice' they might give is purely speculative. I think if it bothers anyone they should pm a mod and get a judgement, always the best move in my opinion.

I agree. I think general concensus is that it might not cross the line as cheating, but it also is not fair and/or polite. You have hand history, and that saves chat too. So first you could politely contact those responsible and PM what the said that was inappropriate. Hopefully we're all mature enough where that's all that's needed. But Phat has a good point in that Mod's are here for a reason.

[Xtreem1]

I doubt I would report it, sorry, not really my style. I have warned people that I would before, but doubt I could. there were only about 3 or 4 comments made, really not that big of a deal. I truely just thought it would be a good thread to spark opions and thoughts from others. I'm sure in the "big picture" the outcome would have been the same anyway. just wanted to pick your brains ;-)

thanks for all the imnput thus far

Xtreem

Originally Posted by DukeOfDeath

I agree. I think general concensus is that it might not cross the line as cheating, but it also is not fair and/or polite. You have hand history, and that saves chat too. So first you could politely contact those responsible and PM what the said that was inappropriate. Hopefully we're all mature enough where that's all that's needed. But Phat has a good point in that Mod's are here for a reason.

[MRCOOL1]

ONE PLAYER TO A HAND:

" One player to a hand is an important poker rule designed to promote fair play that is universally applied in casino play. It states that all game decisions about the play of each hand must be made by one player without assistance. This means, for example, that a player may not ask for advice from any other player or non-player during the play of the hand, nor should anyone offer such advice.[1] The phrase is often used as a warning to players making what might be perceived as minor violations, such as commenting upon other players' possible hands.
Note that reading properly exposed hands of other players at showdown is not a violation of this rule, since no further decisions can be made "

One player to a hand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[crinkle62]

i totally agree with X.... help shouldn't be given, wanted or not.
If it was one of our regular OP lady players, they should know that this kinda play is not liked....
we all come to support friends but, ESPECIALLY when down to 2 players in a tourney, those players should be able to play on their own merits.
As for Captain Sandy's comment, i know we are entitled to our own opinions, but that is a bit unfair, as the OP play on cards often goes against the 'best' hands and players that should be still in....are'nt!
just my pennies worth. xx

[pokerpus]

howdy folks
Chat at tables,,, good topic for me.
the chat Xtreem1 is talking about... I'd like to know the spesifics....
1st off- people can certianly cheat from chat ! ,, and should be reported and dealt with,.
that would be things like,,, if your in the game and fold,, then tell the table what cards you just folded while hand is being played,,thats flat out cheating. I've never seen anyone here do that.
close to that i've seen people do ,,by accident not thinking ,,i think . is to see 2 10's hit the flop,and they folded ,,,type in oh man wish i didnt fold,,,tell the table 0ne ten is out of play.. ,,i see this accidently /emotions,,not a cheat.
I've had games where people were rooting for other player,,not me.. i liked it ,,fun for me. any " get him" or "he's just lucky" or "redheads are jerks" ,, thats all good....
i've told people ,,i like Q,10,,, so if a bystander says oh Q,10 on table ,,he loves Q,10.....
to me ,,not a cheat,,i put out my Q,10,,likes....
but
if a outside player or player NOT in the hand says " he checked the turn,,he bluffs when he does this... thats instuctution on how to make a play,,,not acceptable.
i do NOT think chat should be further banned though,,just reported if game changeing talk occurs.
i've said ,since it started , no chat is much more unfair for all us op66 players against others in cash area ,because we never see what others at table are saying,,like ive been at tournys where, im pretty sure 2 players from other site were on phone with each other,,but i couldnt see there chat....
i'm more worried about that then from other OP66 er's
Lets keep in mind that chat and banter are part of poker... like tennies ,,little jabs can make a player play mad.
and make mistakes
oh , and chat unrelated to the game i think is always fine
oh yeah ,one thing i try to do might help some.... i'll comment on my hand i just played ,,like man i folded 3,7,wouldeda had full house,,,i like to put,,last hand:then say what i want about ,,,the LAST hand ,,not currt hand palying..and never during hand say what u folded ,,that is a cheat (easy for some do do by accident to )
OUTLAWS
cheer and taunt i still say is fine if ur not giving info of hand,, P.S. i learned english and aussie swear words this way.... i've been called a few of em' 8~)
i wanted to add , that any outside chat by bystanders really isn't right,,,it's like this : at a live tourny ,fans yell out and cheer , if a fan yells out K on the table ** loves K's ..fold it. i think it wouldn't interup play and that fan would probably be asked to not yell to effect play,, kinda like my tennies analogy,, fan cheer and are ask to not yell at a crucial monent of play, fans shouldn't yell to thow off a player. players may absolutly talk to oter player and get in there head.... that defines poker
i personally dont get bothered by any chat to me,,, only if its a game changer,,like saying folded cards during hand.
now go play OUTLAWS

[Arezzo]

are you referring to the wombats tourney which is the only one I can see here that you came in 2nd...in which case you lost to a "he" not a "she"...and that "he" is a good player as well as are you... the chat would make no difference...the chats beyond his control and yours

[Xtreem1]

Nope, not that one, it was the mini before it. I came in second two tourny's in a row. but you are right he is a decent player.

Originally Posted by Arezzo

are you referring to the wombats tourney which is the only one I can see here that you came in 2nd...in which case you lost to a "he" not a "she"...and that "he" is a good player as well as are you... the chat would make no difference...the chats beyond his control and yours

[stevo_58]

Loveschips summed up my thoughts on it. Great thread X, good onya.