your thoughts on the current skill level

[future2112]

since the change over from the old script to the new, early on there was many threads talking about how the skill level or game style wasnt as good as the old op66 site. i for one noticed a lot of players would go all-in a lot more oftern than i had generally seen on the old site, and players would play more hands and try and chase winners etc.

Its been quite a few months now since the change over and i think that the style and play is becomming more like how it was when i played the old op66 site. I also think the skill level is deffinately improving overall.

Does anyone agree with me that the players from the old op66 site may have had some influence on how the general style of play is being played today?

Furthermore, to me i see that the usual suspects are not running away with all the golds and silvers in the op66 tournys these days. the spoils are being shared with a lot more players than before. which is good in my opinion.

your thoughts and comments most welcome. thx,

fut.

[Pocket_Ducks]

i've definately witnessed more ppl going all-in since the coming of pitbullsh1t players over to here. it's annoying to sit back hand after hand just waiting to hit one, to do so, only to realise u've been bust by the other guy's J 5 offsuit

but recently i've started winning way more than i usually did- still not exactly millions, but hey it's still up rather than down. So whatever is happening, i feel it's good- perhaps there are less chasers and nutters out there? ...thinkin' about it, u may be right fut, something to think about anyway.

kwak

[stepoff]

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[sa11y69]

hmmm...skill level...are we talking 'real poker skill', or 'lets bluff the hell out of the shortstack' skill?? coz that is all i see, and i'm sorry to say this but these days, its even in the OP66 tourneys. on the old site, i dont think i can remember dropping below 22 mill, on this site, i cant get higher than 5! my game hasnt changed, and i am CERTAINLY not up against a better class of player. i know i've lost hands thru my own bad judgement, and thats fine. but, i dont want to be an 'all-inner', i dont want to be a bluffer or a bingo player. most of the old site have had to change their game to compensate for this..well, no, i wont, and if my stack stays low then so be it, at least i know i'm not full of poo! there's some real good players from the old side who havent changed, i love playing against these guys, because i know i'll get a decent game. Diva, for one, always a helluva game with her around, Graham, my arch enemy, dont know how he keeps his cool, and cowboys_1 scares the hell out of me! i have never known these people to feel the need to bluff, maybe they do and i just dont know!..and i'm not saying everyone else does, these are just a few examples of how i remember the old site, pre-mad-allinners. so, if the gameplay is being scaled on the fact that you win by hitting a pair of 3s on the river, then yeah, i guess its improved...but if its based on calculated judgement of your opponents hand/behaviour, then no..i think it stinks!!

[GRAH4M]

lol sally i agree with you totaly, I think the standed of play in the tornys is bad at the moment some players any face card & they are all in sorry but thats not my style but i do have my dabber ready,
P.S i dont bluff well maybe little ones sometimes

[tapit]

I for one thank you sally for stating the way it is here. It has changed and not for the @*%# well you know
what mean. We did have a lot of good times and fantastic games and that will never change!! I look forward to
the day we can have one of those games when we all played Poker not bingo.

[stjimmy]

Originally Posted by sally69

hmmm...skill level...are we talking 'real poker skill', or 'lets bluff the hell out of the shortstack' skill?? coz that is all i see, and i'm sorry to say this but these days, its even in the OP66 tourneys. on the old site, i dont think i can remember dropping below 22 mill, on this site, i cant get higher than 5! my game hasnt changed, and i am CERTAINLY not up against a better class of player. i know i've lost hands thru my own bad judgement, and thats fine. but, i dont want to be an 'all-inner', i dont want to be a bluffer or a bingo player. most of the old site have had to change their game to compensate for this..well, no, i wont, and if my stack stays low then so be it, at least i know i'm not full of poo! there's some real good players from the old side who havent changed, i love playing against these guys, because i know i'll get a decent game. Diva, for one, always a helluva game with her around, Graham, my arch enemy, dont know how he keeps his cool, and cowboys_1 scares the hell out of me! i have never known these people to feel the need to bluff, maybe they do and i just dont know!..and i'm not saying everyone else does, these are just a few examples of how i remember the old site, pre-mad-allinners. so, if the gameplay is being scaled on the fact that you win by hitting a pair of 3s on the river, then yeah, i guess its improved...but if its based on calculated judgement of your opponents hand/behaviour, then no..i think it stinks!!

i`m having exactly the same problem as you sal,on the old script i had around 50 million and pushing for top spot, but as soon as we had the changover, i was losing millions every day. my fault for choosing to play on the koth while waiting for a 500k or 1m sit n go to fill up, which very rarely would fill at all.
now i can`t get above 3 million at the mo, and i`m the same as you, i won`t change my game either, but maybe we should.
it`s just so frustrating waiting and waiting for a premium hand, going all in and getting called and beaten with Q2 off suit...

[jim1961]

geez Sal only 5 mill you poor thing. lol

I went up to 47mill on old site and now sit around 500K after losing the lot on the table with the least poker skill in the world (KOTH of course). I must admit that it was credits convertor that got me back but now I am happy - play in OP66 Hetmans when I can and find it usually very good poker, little BINGO. Every now and then I luck in to a very good sit n go where everyone plays poker and they are great. Can afford to play in the 10k or 25k sit n gos and really try to protect my stack (which I think is enhancing my poker skills). In terms of overall skill level I think Hetmans is as good as anything on old site - but I miss those crazy turbo mammoths where the real skill was getting the right seat at the start !!!

[MrRoyal]

Agree with Jim. There does generally seem to be a high standard of play on the Hetmans compared with other areas of the site. Not sure if this holds for the other OP66 tourneys.

I think this success has been self perpetuating due to the number of good players entering the tournament. In general the bingo players profit off each other early on and their stacks rapidly rise but against 2 or 3 better players playing the long term odds they eventually get eliminated. They will take a couple of the good players with them each time but overall unless there is a high proportion of bingo players they struggle to make the later stages of a tournament. This discourages them from entering a particular tourney and hence the proportion of good to bad players entering that tourney increases and so it becomes harder for the bingo players and the quality of the tournament improves, and so on.

With the Hetmans this has reached a stage now where so few bingo players enter that if one does they are unsually eliminated fairly quickly.

The best suggestion I can make for other tourneys is that if you know quite a few good players who are online at the same time each day then get them all to hit the same tourney for a few days and with solid play you may be able to discourage the bingo players and improve the quality of that tournament.

[yeoman42]

there seems to be alot more aggressive play,idont mind players going allin its the player who goes allin hand after hand after hand irrespective of what hes got,since ive joint the new site i beleive the play has improved,but people we just have to play what ever the others want to do and adapt, playing the same way all the time can be boring and reable to the others, anyway keep on playing the good game and be lucky folks

[future2112]

some very interesting replies especially from sally. i fully understand your frustration, sally, especially with the all-inner's who chance their luck with j 7 or something similar. And it is a real shame that it has changed so drastically from how it was with the old site. But saying that i still think it has improved since the start of the change over.

initially it was just crazy to be honest, i was really enjoying my poker until i enter the lions den at the the change over. However though i am starting enjoy again because i have started to pick and choose which tournies and tables to play.

Last night i started a 100k sit and go table and asked round the ring tables if anyone wanted to play. Most said no because it was too much. But those who did join the majority, if not all, were from the old op66 site and we all played a very sensible good tactical game, just like the old days. It went on for over hours. And today i joined a 500k sit and go, which was started by pinkfaefie (shirlb) and that too was a ver good game.

Im pretty sure it isnt going to be how it was with the old op66 site but im in hope that those who played at the old op66 site will play these sit and go games at the higher stake tables for a good decent game without having to call all-inner's with j 7.

Anyhow, back to the point of my thread.... from those who have replied, it seems as though the skill level, style of play or how you wanna put it isnt that good according to what you say.

maybe it is a case of having to pick and choose which tables to play at to get a decent game, but, it shouldnt be that way in full honesty. ok, i might think the game style, sill level has improved but i can only gauge my observations by what you guys guys also have to say on the matter.

Myabe the level of play hasnt improved and i am just playing as bad as the poor players and all-inner's you all talk about giving me a false impression overall.

food for thought. thx guys.

fut.